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06-24-2004, 03:23 PM
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It would be nice if the Oil actually spent some $$$

That means signing Nedved and making offers to FAs. Face it people, in this day and age, you gotta spend your funds to compete.

We've already failed time after time with trying to keep a low-budget club on the ice. We either don't have the right mix (like Tampa and Calgary had this season) or are a player or two short of making a decent splash in the NHL playoffs.

It would be nice if 38 of our owners upped the ante a bit and made it able for Kevin Lowe to venture out and pick up a marquee free agent who could make this club even better. They haven't gotten past the 1st round of the playoffs in 8 years, and the 2nd in over 10...Therefore, it's more than time to change the way we do things.

And with a new CBA, there would be a more level playing field, and would allow the Oilers to go out and offer some high-priced talent. So what's stopping them? Nichols already said that the team won't function if a new CBA doesn't make things more fair for the smaller market clubs, so what do we have to lose?

Go out and spend some money, boys.


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It's not your money, so why not?


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Because the way to win isn't money and UFAs. Ask the Avs, Rangers, Caps, and Leafs. Now you may say, either: A) the Avs don't go after UFA's often or B)the Avs have had success. But the one time they've made a big splash in the FA market was last year with the dynamic duo and look how that worked for them......

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So let's settle for mediocrity...

That's what we've grown to accept.

Get to the 1st round, and be happy with it.

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It has nothing to do with settling for mediocrity.

Would you buy a huge house and 3 luxury cars to put yourself in massive debt for the appearance of looking good?

Telling the owners to pony up more of their money (after already putting a lot into the hockey club) and expecting them to do it to the point where they are losing money, is simply ridiculous.

Besides, if there is a new CBA, it should allow for the Oilers to be more competetive without having them unneccessarily raising the budget, so why go crazy now?

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i would rather have a non competitive team playing in Edmonton with a 20 million dollar budget that a team who splurges and spends 60 million on players just to tell everyone at the end of the season that the team's moving to Portland Maine.

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06-24-2004, 04:27 PM
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It has nothing to do with settling for mediocrity.

Would you buy a huge house and 3 luxury cars to put yourself in massive debt for the appearance of looking good?

Telling the owners to pony up more of their money (after already putting a lot into the hockey club) and expecting them to do it to the point where they are losing money, is simply ridiculous.

Besides, if there is a new CBA, it should allow for the Oilers to be more competetive without having them unneccessarily raising the budget, so why go crazy now?
My basis for the post was simply to shed some light on the fact that the Oilers too often settle for what they have within (draft and prospects). They need to venture out of their "box," if you will, and make an offer for an FA.

The owners aren't losing money, BTW. They made a profit this past season, and if you add-in the profits from their other ventures (which with 38 owners, these guys obviously have more than just the Oilers), they make a hefty sum. So why not put some more capital into the club in order to create a winner, and in turn make a profit?

And I never said spend crazily. Offer one or two guys, and go from there. I never once said we should pull what the Slats and the Rangers have, but to simply go beyond what we have within our franchise. Nedved was a start...now we gotta sign him.

I'm just tired of this team being so average. They make the playoffs every other year, get us all pumped after a home win, and then fall flat on their faces. It's nauseating.

And why not spend a little now? Pluck a guy off the market before others can get to him, and restructure his contract after the new CBA. What's wrong with that?

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My basis for the post was simply to shed some light on the fact that the Oilers too often settle for what they have within (draft and prospects). They need to venture out of their "box," if you will, and make an offer for an FA.
I do understand the point of what you were saying... the Oilers do need some top end talent in order to be a truely competetive team.

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The owners aren't losing money, BTW. They made a profit this past season, and if you add-in the profits from their other ventures (which with 38 owners, these guys obviously have more than just the Oilers), they make a hefty sum. So why not put some more capital into the club in order to create a winner, and in turn make a profit?
They made a profit because of the Heritage Classic... their first profit in a while too.

Does anyone remember how much the EIG paid for the Oilers? Also, do they get their own money back at the end of each year (a certain%) that factors into how much money they lost? i.e. say the team cost $76mil, and each owner chipped in $2mil... is that a $2mil upfront fee that they have paid that gets paid back to them (in a small amount) each year before factoring in how much they have lost?

The problem with your theory, is if you get decimated with injuries, or pull a NYR (underachieve), you run the risk of losing money, forcing yourself into a bad situation. The last thing you want is to have another pocklington situation where you are using income from your other ventures to keep your team alive, or vice versa (Pocklington went through both).

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And I never said spend crazily. Offer one or two guys, and go from there. I never once said we should pull what the Slats and the Rangers have, but to simply go beyond what we have within our franchise. Nedved was a start...now we gotta sign him.

I'm just tired of this team being so average. They make the playoffs every other year, get us all pumped after a home win, and then fall flat on their faces. It's nauseating.

And why not spend a little now? Pluck a guy off the market before others can get to him, and restructure his contract after the new CBA. What's wrong with that?
I guess you could spend now... but why not wait until you have an idea about what the CBA will bring...

It may allow the Oilers to send 3 or 4 of their young talents away for a Modanno (purely theoretical) or something like that.

I agree that it would be great to have the Oilers at the top, I think that we've waited this long for the chance at a level playing field, let's wait until we actually get it before making our move.

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I am starting to wonder if the Oil brass hasnt been pulling the wool over all Oilers fans eyes all these years .I mean the Flames signed Iginla for 7.5 mill and the Oil seem as though 3.5 is the magic number till your shipped away and then the "spiel" starts .He was greedy ..he wanted too much ..we are a small market blah blah blah .
The Flames give every indication they plan to resign Iggy,Habs pay 4 mill for Breezbye ,Sens sign Alfie for 6.5 mill,Vancouver signed Nazzy and Bert to big deals ..yet already the rumblings are starting about Brewer or Smyth being traded ....hmmmm.

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I don't think that there has been anything sneaky going on. It seems to be a question of priorities. Calgary has been able to spend so much on Iginla by spending much less on the rest of the team. For better or worse, Edmonton is more focused on having depth, which changes the distribution of the budget. IIRC, the have similar budgets, but very different spending priorities.

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Exactly. Sutter's been very up front with the fact that some players will not fit in to the Flames budget... including guys like Conroy and McCammond.

Frankly... we are a small market, and players oftentimes do want too much and are greedy. And there always seems to be another team out there willing to pony up.

Further, the Flames and Habs are not teams that I would want the Oilers to emulate.

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Exactly. Sutter's been very up front with the fact that some players will not fit in to the Flames budget... including guys like Conroy and McCammond.

Frankly... we are a small market, and players oftentimes do want too much and are greedy. And there always seems to be another team out there willing to pony up.

Further, the Flames and Habs are not teams that I would want the Oilers to emulate.
I'd like to see us get back Dean Mac. I thought Slats gave up on him too early with the trade to CHI. He scored 50 pts the season before.

I'd emulate the present Flames and Habs in an instant. I'd rather win in the 1st round and make it interesting than rush into the playoffs and be too tired to compete in the 1st round.

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I'd like to see us get back Dean Mac. I thought Slats gave up on him too early with the trade to CHI. He scored 50 pts the season before.

I'd emulate the present Flames and Habs in an instant. I'd rather win in the 1st round and make it interesting than rush into the playoffs and be too tired to compete in the 1st round.
Much has been made about emulating or copying the Flames, but would you like to be the Ducks, the Sabres, the Hurricanes. That basically is what it boils down too.

The Flames missed the playoffs 7 years in a row and then had a cinderalla run (and before Flames fans get all crazy, this is my opinion if you prove otherwise next year fine) I really don't think emulating the Flames strikes my fancy in any way shape or form.

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The Flames missed the playoffs 7 years in a row and then had a cinderalla run (and before Flames fans get all crazy, this is my opinion if you prove otherwise next year fine) I really don't think emulating the Flames strikes my fancy in any way shape or form.
Emulate the Flames in a way that you have hard-working, dependable players that can deliver us a productive playoff run.

We have the skill, but lack the heart and intensity to go along with it.

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I am starting to wonder if the Oil brass hasnt been pulling the wool over all Oilers fans eyes all these years .I mean the Flames signed Iginla for 7.5 mill and the Oil seem as though 3.5 is the magic number till your shipped away and then the "spiel" starts .He was greedy ..he wanted too much ..we are a small market blah blah blah .
The Flames give every indication they plan to resign Iggy,Habs pay 4 mill for Breezbye ,Sens sign Alfie for 6.5 mill,Vancouver signed Nazzy and Bert to big deals ..yet already the rumblings are starting about Brewer or Smyth being traded ....hmmmm.
The Flames also lost roughly $25mil from the past few seasons... the habs and Nucks are hardly small market.

As for the sens, we'll see about them... yes they have Alfreddson, but Bonk is going going gone, and havlat has already held out once.

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Emulate the Flames in a way that you have hard-working, dependable players that can deliver us a productive playoff run.

We have the skill, but lack the heart and intensity to go along with it.
I'm not talking about the amount of heart the Flames have, and what made them successful over the short term this post-season. Obviously I'd love to see the Oilers play with the same fire in their belly and the fact that it was a bunch of working-class guys playing above expectations is what made them such an easy team to cheer for. Even for some of us Oiler fans.

However, I'm talking about the physical makeup of their team. They miss the playoffs for seven straight years, and all of the sudden they're the model for success? I hardly think so. I'd rather emulate the Sens. They've done very solid drafting (even when they're picking late in the first round), and they've been able to move high priced players like Yashin, while still retaining a young, talented core that will allow them to be successful for years.

I can see Ottawa challenging every year for the next 10 years and I can't say the same for Calgary. Can you honestly tell me that a second line of Neimenen-Nilsson-Donovan is really that of a perennial contender?

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I'm not talking about the amount of heart the Flames have, and what made them successful over the short term this post-season. Obviously I'd love to see the Oilers play with the same fire in their belly and the fact that it was a bunch of working-class guys playing above expectations is what made them such an easy team to cheer for. Even for some of us Oiler fans.

However, I'm talking about the physical makeup of their team. They miss the playoffs for seven straight years, and all of the sudden they're the model for success? I hardly think so. I'd rather emulate the Sens. They've done very solid drafting (even when they're picking late in the first round), and they've been able to move high priced players like Yashin, while still retaining a young, talented core that will allow them to be successful for years.

I can see Ottawa challenging every year for the next 10 years and I can't say the same for Calgary. Can you honestly tell me that a second line of Neimenen-Nilsson-Donovan is really that of a perennial contender?
I'd rather emulate the Sens as well (save for their playoff record against TO...as bas as ours with Dallas).

To me, the Oilers need to play with a higher intensity and with more heart. That's what many teams have used to get them through the playoffs.

We have the potential for it here, but picking up a proven player (i.e. Brett Hull, Glen Murray, Gary Roberts, Brian Rolston) that can get us going in the right direction.

That's what we need, a vet who can show us the way.

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And MrMackey...

I gotta fever, baby...

And the only prescription is MORE COWBELL

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I gotta fever, baby...

And the only prescription is MORE COWBELL
All I know is that if Bruce Dickenson wants more cowbell than we should probably give him more cowbell.

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I can see Ottawa challenging every year for the next 10 years and I can't say the same for Calgary. Can you honestly tell me that a second line of Neimenen-Nilsson-Donovan is really that of a perennial contender?
I agree that Ottawa is definently the team to look at in terms of how to draft talent. Over the years, their drafting record has been extremely impressive.

But one thing that Ottawa fans always complain is their lack of grit, and how they could use a "Ryan Smyth' type of player. Calgary, while being nowhere near the level of Ottawa in terms of overall talent, was successful this playoff run BECAUSE of the grit they showed, that being through players such as Neiminen, Nilson and Donovan. This is Sutter's mantra for success. Ottawa has tried to emulate this 'grit' concept be acquiring players such as Varada and Ray over the years, but hasn't had great sucess in doing so.

In today's NHL, speed, grit, size and heart are becoming increasingly important, and may dictate the future of how NHL hockey might be played.

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In today's NHL, speed, grit, size and heart are becoming increasingly important, and may dictate the future of how NHL hockey might be played.
On one hand I sure hope so, but on the other, I hope it doesn't become all grit and no talent.

That said, grit can always be acquired for cheap and is only so good as the coach's implementation. Ottawa's been seen as a gritless team, but they've had some pretty gritty role players over there: Smolinski, Ray, Neil, Roy, Varada, Fischer, Van Allen up front and Phillips, Chara, Simpson, Leschyshen, de Vries on defense. However Martin is a much different coach than Sutter, and I think having the players is one thing and applying it within the system is another.

On the other hand, I wouldn't call Tampa an overly gritty team either. When you compare Tampa and Ottawa you can see a lot of similarities, except it stops at the goaltending IMO. Lalime is a good goalie, but he hasn't been what he should be when it counts.

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