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06-24-2004, 12:50 AM
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IF Sather is set on Stafford then I would trade down. I know Anaheim would take Ladd at six, and if they throw in a second or a talented young player, it's a done deal.

If they add a sixth second rounder, there is NO reason they can't move up from 24 or even add a third first rounder.

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06-24-2004, 12:56 AM
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Edge how can you explain the reasoning behind Sather not being that high on Tukonen, Ladd and Olesz? What could he possibly not like about them? 3 big, hard working, gritty, skilled forwards, good skaters who are all very safe picks and not bad defensively? What would possess Sather to not pick one of them at #6?

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06-24-2004, 01:09 AM
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How do Stafford and Chipchura differ? For some reason I see them as very similar players. Is Stafford really that much better?

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Edge how can you explain the reasoning behind Sather not being that high on Tukonen, Ladd and Olesz? What could he possibly not like about them? 3 big, hard working, gritty, skilled forwards, good skaters who are all very safe picks and not bad defensively? What would possess Sather to not pick one of them at #6?
Well I don't know that he's not high on them. In fact everything I know says they love Ladd. It could be a million factors.

For example as SOTI or Park will tell you, reporting rumors can suck sometimes. People change their minds, things come up and sometimes {to be frank} you're left looking like a jackass.

It also comes down to a last minute thing and smoke screens and sometimes {like that old game telephone} information is lost along the way. They might want Stafford at six or they may want to nab him at 10, no one really knows for certain.

In the end rumors are just that. We mention em when we can, we update as we can and sometimes they change.

Someone could have fallen from their top 5 and someone they ranked sixth moved into the top ten. There's no real right or wrong answer, just a lot of talk.

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Personally, I would take Ladd with #6. However, Stafford kinda reminds me of Adam Graves, who was never supposed to be a huge scorer but made the most out of what he had. I think some guys are highly undervaluing a second rounder, maybe because we have so many of them, but a team that only has one 2nd is not going to trade it to move up 3 spots in the 1st round, IMO. Really, I would be satisfied with Ladd, Stafford, Tukonen, Barker, or whomever the select in the #6 spot, as long as they don't go outside the projected top 10 (not including Goalies) I don't think it would be so wise to trade down. We need everything, and we have a boatload of picks already. This is the greatest chance to build some true young organizational depth that we have ever had. I can't wait to get to Raleigh.

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06-24-2004, 01:52 PM
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I think Balej, Prucha, and Immonen at least at this point are all better than Jessiman and more skilled. Prucha is 5'10" that is not tiny, Mike York is same size.
Mike York is tiny ... so comparing Prucha to him doesn't make him sound big. No he's not fleury size, but he ain't big. The problem with being Yorkie's size is you get worn out as your body just can't sustain the same level of abuse as other players who are larger ... just my opinion.

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06-24-2004, 01:57 PM
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I think Balej, Prucha, and Immonen at least at this point are all better than Jessiman
Balej aside, I would love to know how it is that you think that both Prucha and Immonen are better than Jessiman. Prucha is a longshot to even make it to the NHL and Immonen is pretty much an enigma. Prucha is tiny and has some questions about his skating and Immonen is not considered a particularly great skater either.


"But Tukonen, Ladd and Olesz also work hard, hit and go into the corners"

You keep trying to lump in Tukonen in with Ladd and Olesz. Tukonen DOES NOT play the same type of game that Ladd does. Yes, he is not shy when it comes to body contact, but whereas one can compare Ladd to a young Graves or a Ryan Smyth, one cannot make the same comparison when it comes to Tukonen.

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06-24-2004, 03:12 PM
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You keep trying to lump in Tukonen in with Ladd and Olesz. Tukonen DOES NOT play the same type of game that Ladd does. Yes, he is not shy when it comes to body contact, but whereas one can compare Ladd to a young Graves or a Ryan Smyth, one cannot make the same comparison when it comes to Tukonen.
Huh? Have you seen them play or something? Where are you getting this from? Going by every scouting report Tukonen is extremely physical and hard working player.

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06-24-2004, 03:18 PM
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Mike York is tiny ... so comparing Prucha to him doesn't make him sound big. No he's not fleury size, but he ain't big. The problem with being Yorkie's size is you get worn out as your body just can't sustain the same level of abuse as other players who are larger ... just my opinion.
But he could still play in NHL and do well, there are plenty more players in NHL besides York who are around 5'10" and are playing well. Letowski, Drury, Briere, Gionta, St. Louis, etc.

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06-24-2004, 03:23 PM
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Balej aside, I would love to know how it is that you think that both Prucha and Immonen are better than Jessiman. Prucha is a longshot to even make it to the NHL and Immonen is pretty much an enigma. Prucha is tiny and has some questions about his skating and Immonen is not considered a particularly great skater either.
Have you seen Prucha's numbers in juniors? 28 games, 38 goals, 28 assists, 66 points, +54

Both Prucha and Immonen have proven that they can play in men's league against older players and put up great numbers. Jessiman hasn't proved much as his numbers went downhill.

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Yea, Prucha is small... York is the same size, but watch how he gets worn down near the end of the season, not mention he works his A off to be the player he is.

Immonen is a question mark... 2nd line center or nothing...

Balej is a solid 2nd line one dimensional player...

I'd take Jessiman over ANY of these guys... no questions asked.
So would anyone with any knowledge of any of them.

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I don't how many people have actually seen Stafford play last season. What he did in WJC doesn't even begin to describe what this kid can do. He can play all 3 forward positions, but RW is his natural position and the position I've seen him play the most at with UND. He's a kid whose possesses immense skills and smart as a whip. He's got good vision and he can undress opposing defenseman pretty darn well.

Now how will that translate into what he CAN do at the pro level? My guess is that he's likely destined to be a good 2nd liner, maybe see time on a checking line. He's quite good defensively and he's not afraid of playing the body.

I'm not going to get into comparing him to Ladd, Olesz, etc. because for one thing I haven't seen those guys play yet and I feel that it would be an invalid comparison. As for the comparison to Brady Murray, his teammate? Two different type of players. Murray is a speedster who some may classify as a pure goal scorer (although I don't completely agree with that), whereas Stafford is a good sniper who excels both offensively and defensively.

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06-24-2004, 04:26 PM
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But he could still play in NHL and do well, there are plenty more players in NHL besides York who are around 5'10" and are playing well. Letowski, Drury, Briere, Gionta, St. Louis, etc.
I agree, it just makes it more difficult, wasn't saying that they couldn't make it, just that it becomes less likely that they will make it when they are that size ...

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06-24-2004, 06:13 PM
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Huh? Have you seen them play or something?
Yes.

"Tukonen is extremely physical and hard working player."

Eventually you are going to have to face reality in the face. Yes, Tukonen is a nice enough two-way forward. And yes, he works well along the boards and works hard in general. But he is just not that "physical" of a player. At least not in the sense that you are trying to make him out to be.

"But he could still play in NHL and do well, there are plenty more players in NHL besides York who are around 5'10" and are playing well. Letowski, Drury, Briere, Gionta, St. Louis, etc."

Sure, he COULD. However, the odds are pretty much against him. Your last word is "etc". There's not much of an etc. after the guys you just named. Letowski is nothing great. Drury is pretty good, but needs the attention to be off of him. St. Louis is an abberation.
Prucha's size, or lack thereof IS an issue. I've seen the way Prucha looks. He looks like you need to tie him down in a strong wind, otherwise he'll blow away. And let's be frank here. Prucha does not have the same type of wheels that some of these other small guys do.

"Both Prucha and Immonen have proven that they can play in men's league against older players and put up great numbers. Jessiman hasn't proved much as his numbers went downhill."

You are simply deluding yourself if you think that Prucha or Immonen are better prospects than Jessiman. Jessiman's chances of making to the NHL are much better than either of them.

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06-24-2004, 07:44 PM
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Yes.
Sorry, but I don't think you did.

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Sorry, but I don't think you did.
Well at least you're not accusing him of lying or anything ...

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Well at least you're not accusing him of lying or anything ...
Yes that would be a classless thing to do... So that would make it something I would do.

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Sorry, but I don't think you did.
You certainly are more than entitled to your opinion.
But just for your knowledge, I DO get to see good amount of hockey. Having relatives that do buisiness in Europe, has allowed me to see more than my share of international hockey. I am certainly no expert, I just call it like I see it. But as I said, you are more than 100% entitled to your beliefs.


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