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09-22-2008, 09:34 PM
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Just saw that Gonchar hurt his shoulder, and the Pens are having to press Letang into service as PP general and squeeze the most out of Sydor.

Shows how vulnerable any team is if its premier puck-moving / PP general defenceman goes down.

With Streit having moved on, the case can be made that the Habs should be looking for a way to graduate another puckmover, over anyone else. Whoever the best of Weber, Subban, Carle it is.

If Markov goes down this year or the next, this thread will be revisited.

My own opinion: bring up Subban now, for good. On the 2nd PP, he can learn on the job.
That's the whole point of having Brisebois at #7, so you don't have to rush kids like Subban...plus Carle is more advanced offensively than Subban anyways.

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09-23-2008, 02:40 AM
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why wait? Dump Boullion now!
Bouillion is a good serviceable number 6 with speed, grit and experience. Valentenko is still learning the North American game and needs time to develop not only his own game, but the culture and language as well. Another year in Hamilton should do Valentenko some good and he should be ready to make a impact next year when we are in need of some fresh bodies with some loses to free agency.

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09-23-2008, 03:12 AM
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Subban is gonna be awesome....he's an awesome skater with a great first pass and shot...

very slick player...cant wait to see him in the habs lineup for good.

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Put me on the Subban bandwagon. Limit his ES ice time, give him top PP mins with Markov and you are using him correctly. He's 19 he has many years to develop and if he's physically ready, what matters? He'll make mistakes, yes, but it'll be a young rookie as opposed to a bonehead veteran. Look at the Predators, they brought their young defencemen up early and it worked out very well for them, they have a scary blueline with Weber, Suter and Hamhuis, with guys like Franson and Klein coming too. 12 mins of icetime in the NHL trumps 30 mins of icetime in the OHL, there is really no comparison. Bring him up, give him his 10 days.
Subban is raw and needs lots of work to round out his, he nees a lot of improvement in his hockey sense, and learning on the job at the highest level imo is asking a lot. I do think he could handle the physical aspects of the nhl but why rush him when he can be in the OHL getting a ton of ice time and getting time with Team Canada at the wjc's. Then next year he can go to Hamilton and work on his game there. I think the Habs should take their time with him, his upside is very high imo but only if he rounds out his defensive game and improves his hockey sense imo.

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09-23-2008, 10:06 AM
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Weber is not close at all, from what I seen tonight.
I'd agree with that.

He didn't seem to know how to play that 2-on-1 that lead to the Bruins first goal.

It seems he's got some learning to do, as positioning and decision making in his own end look dodgy.

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09-23-2008, 10:25 AM
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I think Carle is the closest to NHL

but we sign Breezer and the RD is set with Komisarek, Obyrne, Gorges, Brisebois.

Id like something like
Markov Komisarek
Hamrlik Carle
Gorges Obyrne
Brisebois

Bouillon is better than Brisebois but Breezer is cheaper.
Ill trade Bouillon is Pittsburgh

-Therrien is the coach
-Gonchar is on the IR

it would only take a 3rd or 4th pick to acquire him.

toughts???

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09-23-2008, 10:31 AM
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Gah, some people are so in love with Subban. The kid isn't even that close to being ready for the NHL yet. Carle is much closer, and I would argue that Weber is too, though he and Subban are probably pretty close. Subban is realistically probably 2 years away from the NHL.

I think if Markov goes down, Carle is the guy you look to if we need to promote a puck-mover.

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09-23-2008, 10:37 AM
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I agree but I would have no problem with the Habs "wasting" a year of pro eligibility on Subban to give him the 10 game trial.

I really think his energy and attitude could mesh very well with the Canadiens current dressing room.

And if he did not work out you can always send him down after 10 games. I want to see him in a pre season game so bad.
Oh so you're saying last years dressing room wouldn't mesh as well huh.... I wonder why that is

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I think Carle is the closest to NHL

but we sign Breezer and the RD is set with Komisarek, Obyrne, Gorges, Brisebois.

Id like something like
Markov Komisarek
Hamrlik Carle
Gorges Obyrne
Brisebois

Bouillon is better than Brisebois but Breezer is cheaper.
Ill trade Bouillon is Pittsburgh

-Therrien is the coach
-Gonchar is on the IR

it would only take a 3rd or 4th pick to acquire him.

toughts???


So let me get this straight you trade your #4 d-man to your closest rival in the conference and give his spot to an AHL guy?

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09-23-2008, 11:00 AM
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So let me get this straight you trade your #4 d-man to your closest rival in the conference and give his spot to an AHL guy?
Agreed... Dany's Idea is dumb.


As for the rest of them... based on last night... Valentenko and Weber are not ready; not if we want to be a contender this year.


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Agreed... Dany's Idea is dumb.


As for the rest of them... based on last night... Valentenko and Weber are not ready; not if we want to be a contender this year.
As reality rears its ugly head.

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Where's the PK (Subban)??

I've read some reports that Subban did well in training camp, but he's not in the lineup tonight and I don't think he played against the Bruins either unless I'm mistaken.

I'm hoping he's going to get a good shot this year and move up in the depth chart as being one of the possible call ups in case of injuries. For the people that saw him recently, what do you think?

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09-23-2008, 11:32 AM
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He's in Montreal, he is on squad B which means he is practicing today and will play tommorow night against Detroit.

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09-23-2008, 11:42 AM
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So let me get this straight you trade your #4 d-man to your closest rival in the conference and give his spot to an AHL guy?
so now bouillon is #4 ?

but yeah my idea was bad
I should at least trade him in the western conference

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09-23-2008, 11:47 AM
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It's the same group tonight as last night with only minor changes from within squad A.

There are lots of guys we won't see till Detroit. Take Kovalev, Lang, Higgins, and Latendresse for examples (leaving out Koivu since he's also injured). Or on the rookie side, D'Agostini, Chipchura, Stewart, and Subban, amongst others.

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I've read some reports that Subban did well in training camp, but he's not in the lineup tonight and I don't think he played against the Bruins either unless I'm mistaken.

I'm hoping he's going to get a good shot this year and move up in the depth chart as being one of the possible call ups in case of injuries. For the people that saw him recently, what do you think?
He's going back to play some pre-season games starting in Detroit.

Once he's sent back to Belleville he can't be an injury callup... unless there is a real emergency situation... ie 6-7 defencemen hurt. Once a guy goes to the CHL he's there till his team is eliminated.

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Gorges is the new Brian Campbell

and the captain of St-Ours

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you mean KELOWNA?

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He's going back to play some pre-season games starting in Detroit.

Once he's sent back to Belleville he can't be an injury callup... unless there is a real emergency situation... ie 6-7 defencemen hurt. Once a guy goes to the CHL he's there till his team is eliminated.
Oh geeze, that makes more sense. I had no idea he was STILL in Belleville - thought he was in Hamilton now. Is he basically just waiting for a callup or a contract with Hamilton at this point?

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Oh geeze, that makes more sense. I had no idea he was STILL in Belleville - thought he was in Hamilton now. Is he basically just waiting for a callup or a contract with Hamilton at this point?
No he's too young still.... he's an 89 b-day... Weber was a late 88s birthday...

So same draft year, but Weber graduates first.

Subban is ineligible for Hamilton.... Weber is eligible for Hamilton or as an overager in Kitchener. Guys who would be overagers can go up to AHL... guys who are still eligiible as regular roster guys can't (ie Subban)

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Agreed... Dany's Idea is dumb.


As for the rest of them... based on last night... Valentenko and Weber are not ready; not if we want to be a contender this year.
If you only look at yesterday's game i think the whole 20 guys should be sent to Hamilton.

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If you only look at yesterday's game i think the whole 20 guys should be sent to Hamilton.
send a few of them straight to Cincy.

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If you only look at yesterday's game i think the whole 20 guys should be sent to Hamilton.
Fair enough... I'm willing to wait it out before making a decision on them.

I'm just saying i feel more comfortable with Bouillion as a vet in the lineup... I know what he brings and i'm comfortable with that.... O'B needs his games as our #6 guy.

I don't want these guys in the pressbox.

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As for who to promote. The way the PP is set none of Carle Weber or Suban would be valuable, they all play LD on the PP and Markov is already there. It basically means no one timer, take weber out, no pp QB take Carle out. Only subban could do something and again he's not ready to go end to end and set the plays in offensive zone. If Weber was a lefty I'd like him to use his one timer, but he isnt.


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We have a very good degfensive core right and therefore there is absolutely no reason to rush a young guy not ready...

wait until they make their own place.

We are not that team full of death wood desperate for youngsters we were 5 years ago...

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