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06-25-2004, 02:26 AM
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Rumor: Habs interested in Demitra?

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Don't get your hopes up, but I don't think it's impossible for the Habs to acquire him if Kovalev choses not to return to Montreal.

EDIT: Found the article.

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A trade suggested in that thread of : Garon and Ribeiro for Demitra.....

As I said in on there...I would be all over that deal.

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A trade suggested in that thread of : Garon and Ribeiro for Demitra.....

As I said in on there...I would be all over that deal.
I think that would be overpaying...

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I think that would be overpaying...

True... Demitra is an awesome player... but again another soft player that can be shadowed with physical play. Ribeiro could end up to be 70-75 pts a season player... and Garon a good number one goalie. Demitra is at his peak. So no to the above suggetion!

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Sounds almost as I started it... (on this board the other day)...

But, I've said this before and will say it again, Demitra is too expensive for Habs at 6.5M.

Any deal involving him could only happen if STL assumes part of his salary. Even then giving Garon for him would be lot to pay for someone who might be half season rental (lockout year?) This considering Habs are getting burned with Kovalev deal right now.


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A trade suggested in that thread of : Garon and Ribeiro for Demitra.....

As I said in on there...I would be all over that deal.
And as I said on that other thread :

I wouldn't. It's not an awful deal but there are other angles that makes it look a bit less obvious.

First Garon is an insurance policy in an eventual Theodore debacle. Before scoffing at such an idea people that lives in Mtl should consider all the distractions surrounding Theodore and tell me with a straight face that there's zero chance it affects his game.

Second the upgrade from Ribeiro to Demitra is not worth getting rid of that insurance while adding that much $.

We'd have to include another component in the deal, a salary dump of some sorts. Or the blues would have to qualify Demitra and resign him for at least 3-4 years and pay parts of his salary. Because I just don't see the habs dealing away small economical featherweights like Ribeiro and Garon while getting a big heavyweight like Demitra.

Besides a star like Demitra would probably bolt out of Mtl at the first occasion. And he'd get his chance in two years assuming the new CBA doesn't make it one.

Sure that would make us a better team now but that would be a shortsighted move and since we're not ready to win it all just yet it gives this deal some mega bust potential.

I'd rather sign one or two guys (Selanne, Simon) and fill a need by adding some size to our top six rather than bring in a guy like Demitra at the cost of Ribs and Garon. I just think there are much better and cheaper options out there for the habs. Demitra is awesome but the cost both in assets and money is too high for my liking.

I have to admit the idea of a Demitra-Koivu-Ryder line is exciting though.

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And as I said on that other thread :

I wouldn't. It's not an awful deal but there are other angles that makes it look a bit less obvious.

First Garon is an insurance policy in an eventual Theodore debacle. Before scoffing at such an idea people that lives in Mtl should consider all the distractions surrounding Theodore and tell me with a straight face that there's zero chance it affects his game.

Second the upgrade from Ribeiro to Demitra is not worth getting rid of that insurance while adding that much $.

We'd have to include another component in the deal, a salary dump of some sorts. Or the blues would have to qualify Demitra and resign him for at least 3-4 years and pay parts of his salary. Because I just don't see the habs dealing away small economical featherweights like Ribeiro and Garon while getting a big heavyweight like Demitra.

Besides a star like Demitra would probably bolt out of Mtl at the first occasion. And he'd get his chance in two years assuming the new CBA doesn't make it one.

Sure that would make us a better team now but that would be a shortsighted move and since we're not ready to win it all just yet it gives this deal some mega bust potential.

I'd rather sign one or two guys (Selanne, Simon) and fill a need by adding some size to our top six rather than bring in a guy like Demitra at the cost of Ribs and Garon. I just think there are much better and cheaper options out there for the habs. Demitra is awesome but the cost both in assets and money is too high for my liking.

I have to admit the idea of a Demitra-Koivu-Ryder line is exciting though.
Also put into consideration that Ribeiro has more time to get better and improve, plus fans love his cocky attitude

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Also put into consideration that Ribeiro has more time to get better and improve
And time to mature

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plus fans love his cocky attitude
That wouldn't exactly be part of the reason why I'd keep him around

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Also put into consideration that Ribeiro has more time to get better and improve, plus fans love his cocky attitude
Ribeiro is in hurry, if he doesnt want to be labeled as Yanic Perreault mk 2 - pure offensive power play specialist. At 24 yo he has still plenty of work to do, getting physically stronger&faster, and developing his faceoff skill and defensive play. I'd say his clock is ticking now with guys like Plekanec Higgins and even Urquhart having good season.

If there are Canadiens fans who loved him for stunt he pulled playoffs time, I'm not sure if I want to associate myself with them.

If there was a chance getting Demitra for couple years at 4-4.5M and maybe draft pick for Garon and Ribeiro I would pull the trigger. Better deal than Kovalev trade.

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Marksman, I don't count Ribs as one of my favorites, but I'm not willing to condemn him forever for the incident. People grow up and you can't freeze incidents in time and make them part of permanent behaviour. If I was still judged by some stuff I did 25-30 years ago I'd have a hard [maybe I should say harder] time showing my face in public. That's a side issue though. I've read some posts about Demitra on the Blues board and here and I understand how Garon would be of interest. I'm not sure what to think of Demitra's cost though because of St.Louis' possible reluctance to qualify him. Do we need to give up a valuable commodity for someone whose equivalent can be bought ? With the lockout looming and the idea that star players will be non tendered, it's become more difficult to even prose trade values. If BG was to decide that Garon was the trade chip he wants to use to bolster his lineup, I'd think he would try and acquire someone like Salvador or McClement or a combination of some kind. Of course this probably doesn't mesh with what Pleau wants to do.

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Do we need to give up a valuable commodity for someone whose equivalent can be bought?
Problem is what Canadiens need right now is another veteran top 6 talent to go along with Koivu. This would make Habs more competitive while giving practice time for your own young players. Without outside help their offence will just be too pathetic to result anything positive.

Trying to buy those kind of players from open market will still be expensive even after CBA holocaust. Lets see if we can keep Kovalev, I have my doubts. The second best way to fill this need is to find a trading partner having to move one of their highly paid forwards, willing to eat salary, in order to make something out of their situation. StLouis is in that situation with Demitra right now. There is a whole thread on their board discussing whether or not they should let him walk OR sign him and trade him to salvage assets.

In my opinion Salvador or McClement dont bring anything we dont have or could acquire for much more reasonable price than top line forward in his prime.


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A trade suggested in that thread of : Garon and Ribeiro for Demitra.....

As I said in on there...I would be all over that deal.
mmm a soon to be 30 yrs old 6,000,000$ dollar man for a promising goaltender (one of the best #2 in the league) and a 24yrs old player that finally broke through this season, i think not.

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This trade rumor will never happen...

The Habs need a big center like Joe Thornton or something able to give some good hit. Pavol Demitra is clearly not that center. I prefer keep the low salary of Ribeiro even if some people don't love him.

Those three-wat trade never works in NHL

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I'd love to get Demitra, he's one of the better talents in the league, but if what the rumor states is true, the Sens will try hard after Demitra after letting him go for a bag of pucks and a hockey stick (Christer Olsson ) Muckler has brought in Murray, who's known to be an offensive coach, so I see the Sens ridding themselves of players like Bonk, White, to make room for players like Demitra...

That being said....Garon and Ribeiro is overpaying IMO, the Blues are trying to get rid of Demitra, and they've been trying for some time now, and I believe the Habs have been interested for a while too, so this is a situation where the Habs could low ball the Blues...

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Haven't the habs supposablely been interested in Demitra for the last couple years or so. I mean, I've heard Demitra to the habs rumors for at least a couple years now.....and because of that, I believe we DON'T have interest in him, or are working on any type of Demitra trade.

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Also put into consideration that Ribeiro has more time to get better and improve, plus fans love his cocky attitude
I really don't, and i'm a fan...

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i'm not big on pavol demitra.

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I would never do that deal, that would be pure insanity.

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Isen't Demitra a free agent after the next season?

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1. I don't like Demitra. Overpaid and soft. No upside and he'd bolt.

2. I believe that Ribeiro had a pinched nerve. Those hurt like crazy, then go away just like that (sometimes). Kovalev was blamed for diving back in 1995 when he was a Ranger and the refs have screwed him ever since... Ribs can expect the same treatment... not something I'm looking forward to... so for the right deal, I wouldn't mind trading him and getting a big center.

However, the clock is ticking on KOIVU as well, so we might keep Ribs around as 2nd line center anyway for now...

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Well maybe that isn't the best trade and perhaps it wouldn't just be Ribs and Garon for just Demitra. Either way IMO Demitra is a HUGE upgrade over Ribeiro.

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I'd be happy to get Demitra if we cannot sign Kovalev. Demitra is a very good and complete offensive player that would also look good alongside Zednik and Koivu but, unlike Kovalev, Demitra actually knows his way around his own zone, a thing that would certainly please a defensive minded coach like CJ.

But, that being said, I would still like more to get Kovalev back, maybe just for the way he can live up a boring game with unreal moves. Plus his size and strength allow him to do things both his linemates (Koivu and Zednik) could not do by themselves, like dragging 2-3 players on their back to complete a play, a thing Kovalev (when he wants to) has the power to do.

Also, never would I like acquiring one of them if it meant paying 6.5M a year. Not Kovalev and not Demitra. Not in the curent incertain economics anyway.

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I really don't, and i'm a fan...
Well that makes one who does then
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