Don't forget that by trading for him they can also trade Schneider at trade deadline which will help the team out in the long run.
Good move by Atlanta, something we're not used to.
Could have done so by grabbing him on waivers as well. It's just a greedy move by the ownership. Save 1.8M but lose assets, great move.
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Originally Posted by Blind Gardien
Hopefully also to make Burke sweat.
Possibly also if they claimed him, they couldn't have know that other teams wouldn't have made claims behind them in the claim order. (Which would have affected their ability to trade him at the deadline for some futures).
Doesn't make much sense to be honest with ya. If teams are interested in an affordable, pretty reliable bottom pairing D-man with offensive flair, they will contact Atlanta at the deadline, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by Dripper
To save 1.785M$
They are far from the cap.. ownership wants to save $, so he loses assets, great move indeed...
I can't see Gainey trading Koivu next season , to a buttom team . I can't see Holland trading Chelios to a buttom team either .Habs and wings are both considered as classy organisation . They take care of their peoples and respect the players like if they were members of a familly .
Yeah 'cause Mathieu Schneider, who signed with Anaheim as a free agent and played one season in Anaheim is totally the same thing as Saku Koivu, who was drafted by the Canadiens, has spent his entire career with the organization - through incredible up and downs - and is the longest serving captain in franchise history.
Doesn't make much sense to be honest with ya. If teams are interested in an affordable, pretty reliable bottom pairing D-man with offensive flair, they will contact Atlanta at the deadline, not the other way around.
I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think if Schnieder was claimed on waivers, the claiming team would *not* be allowed to trade him for a calender year, meaning they couldn't trade him at the deadline.
However, by acquiring him via trade, they can move him at the deadline.
They take care of their peoples and respect the players like if they were members of a familly .
Dude, did you forget to include a smiley in your post? Good lord, the list is long and distinguished when it pertains to disgruntled players who have been escorted out of town.
I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think if Schnieder was claimed on waivers, the claiming team would *not* be allowed to trade him for a calender year, meaning they couldn't trade him at the deadline.
However, by acquiring him via trade, they can move him at the deadline.
I've never heard about this before. I know the guy claimed off waivers must stay on your roster, and so on, but never heard about that one.
I can't see Gainey trading Koivu next season , to a buttom team . I can't see Holland trading Chelios to a buttom team either .Habs and wings are both considered as classy organisation . They take care of their peoples and respect the players like if they were members of a familly .
Koivu has an NTC remember...he has to want to leave to leave....and I doubt he will.
Yes, I believe it is true. You cannot trade a guy after you picked him off waivers. Hopefully someone can clarify all the details for us.
From commentator Draft Dodger on James Mirtle blog :
section 13.20 (b) of the CBA:
"A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to another Club until termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused."
since no other team claimed him, he would have been free to trade.
From commentator Draft Dodger on James Mirtle blog :
section 13.20 (b) of the CBA:
"A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to another Club until termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused."
since no other team claimed him, he would have been free to trade.
My original point being that if the Thrashers (or any other team picking early in the order) had put in a claim, they'd have no way of knowing if Montreal or Detroit or whoever would also put in a claim behind them. Then, when it came time for them to trade Schneider, they would first have had to offer him to those teams for free.
Minor consideration, mind you. I don't think of the NHL as a particularly clandestine place. Probably most GMs knew nobody would make a claim. Although by contrast, if a team was going to make a claim, most GMs would know about it. Somehow? If they cared enough. And if they knew Atlanta was claiming... well, then they'd put in their backup claims too. Etc.
Probably Atlanta is also just realizing the depths to which they suck as camp goes on.
You're right Blind, I just wanted to clarify the "You cannot trade a guy after you picked him off waivers." thing.
People have to remember, this is pretty much a salary dump coming from Atlanta. Let say we had more cap space and wanted Schneider, what's the better trade :
- Claim Schneider from waiver for free
or
- Trade Dandenault to Ana for Schneider.
Yeah 'cause Mathieu Schneider, who signed with Anaheim as a free agent and played one season in Anaheim is totally the same thing as Saku Koivu, who was drafted by the Canadiens, has spent his entire career with the organization - through incredible up and downs - and is the longest serving captain in franchise history.
Give your head a shake.
Schneider signed with the Ducks , to end his career there ; he was probably having a lot of options but choose to go with a team that was a cup contender . We aren't talking about a little no name here , but about a d-man that got 39 points in less than 70 games . I know that Schneider didn't play his entire career with the Ducks ( i can beleive that you thought that i didn't know that ) . My point is that when a good player is at the end of his career and that he still can have an impact , he wants to be a part of a contender team . It isn't about the number of years you played for a team .
Schneider signed with the Ducks , to end his career there ; he was probably having a lot of options but choose to go with a team that was a cup contender . We aren't talking about a little no name here , but about a d-man that got 39 points in less than 70 games . I know that Schneider didn't play his entire career with the Ducks ( i can beleive that you thought that i didn't know that ) . My point is that when a good player is at the end of his career and that he still can have an impact , he wants to be a part of a contender team . It isn't about the number of years you played for a team .
give your #### a shake
If you don't want to be traded, you take a paycut for an NTC.
at the end , it seems that Burke did it the good way ;
From Ducks' board:
Worth adding from This Yahoo Sports Article
"...There were six or seven teams Schneider said he wanted to play for—and the Thrashers were one of them. His brother lives in Atlanta and he liked the idea of working with talented young Thrashers defensemen on the Thrashers Tobias Enstrom and Zach Bogosian, the team’s first-round pick in June... "
Mathieu Schneider has been traded to Atlanta, per CKAC.
For Klee, Larsen, and Chad Painchaud.
Poor Brian Burke(I'm being very sarcastic), he has to trade Schneider and has to take on a couple of contracts with little or no production in Larsen and Klee. He only cleared like 2-3 mil with that trade, he still needs another move to fit in Selanne.
Because they got him for less than free, they got Schneider and got to rid a couple of "dead weight" contracts in the process. Adding Schneider only cost them about 3 mil...then at the deadline they can trade him for a high draft pick or decent prospect. It's a win-win for them. The Habs could be a destination if he shows he still has something in the tank.
Schneider signed with the Ducks , to end his career there ; he was probably having a lot of options but choose to go with a team that was a cup contender . We aren't talking about a little no name here , but about a d-man that got 39 points in less than 70 games . I know that Schneider didn't play his entire career with the Ducks ( i can beleive that you thought that i didn't know that ) . My point is that when a good player is at the end of his career and that he still can have an impact , he wants to be a part of a contender team . It isn't about the number of years you played for a team .
give your #### a shake
None of what you said has anything to do with the stupidity of comparing Schneider getting dealt after one season with the 7th NHL club he's suited up for to trading Koviu.
None of what you said has anything to do with the stupidity of comparing Schneider getting dealt after one season with the 7th NHL club he's suited up for to trading Koviu.
geez ! are you here to talk about hockey or just to tell peoples they are stupid , that they need to shake their head , etc ? Because we don't agree with you doesn't mean that we are idiot . grow up !
smiley in your post? Good lord, the list is long and distinguished when it pertains to disgruntled players who have been escorted out of town.
i can beleive that you thought that i didn't know that ) . My point is that when a good player is at the end of his career and that he still can have an impact , he wants to be a part of a contender team . It isn't about the number of years you played for a team .
