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View Poll Results: When decision time comes, will he stay in the NHL or be sent back to juniors?
Yes, he will stay with the Flyers 98 75.38%
No, he will be sent back to juniors 32 24.62%
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09-27-2008, 04:05 PM
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Well if he does not make the team this year, I think he is a lock for next year. From what I saw of him today I was very pleased. He had good outlet passes, moved the puck with guys on his back, the only give aways were forwards not being able to handle a couple of his passes. Behind Coburn and Timonen he was the best all around defenceman today.

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09-27-2008, 04:14 PM
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I'd prefer he would just clear the zone really. In an NHL game against NHL players he's going to get stripped. That kind of stuff works for players as good as T and Coburn, not for a 19 year old junior player. Which is why he won't make the team this year, and maybe not next either.

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09-27-2008, 04:35 PM
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next year we could have a very very talented D but w/o much size

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alot of possibilities. some other gusy will make a case for the club. jones could be traded for cap room (if we need it)

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09-27-2008, 04:35 PM
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this year: Giroux and eventually downie
next year: Sbisa and JvR

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very fast D that could use some size but is very gritty.
Its amaizing that we are so set even without FAs

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09-27-2008, 04:37 PM
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Its amaizing that we are so set even without FAs
I thinkw e will continue to see asham liek signings. but the focus now is to try to keep this team together if possible

SOmething I would love us to do but probally will not see: get Upshall a cheap 4 year extension. I am a huge fan of his and do not think that downie can replace what he brings. 4 year 10 mil???? 8 mil???? 12 mil???? something like that

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09-27-2008, 06:53 PM
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next year we could have a very very talented D but w/o much size

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jones-sbisa

or even

timmonen-parent
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jones-eminger

alot of possibilities. some other gusy will make a case for the club. jones could be traded for cap room (if we need it)
I think there's a decent shot that Jones is shipped if Eminger and Parent actually do step up, they can bring in Marshall or Bodrov who aren't huge but both play with a very good edge and are going to be much cheaper

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09-27-2008, 07:53 PM
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I am guessing from his size and speed that we would look at him as a top-4 D man.
Does he project as a top-2? Is he a realistic candidate to QB the PP in 3 or 4 years?
When I hear him compared to Mark Streit, I think he must be a QB candidate, but I haven't heard anyone say so directly.

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09-27-2008, 07:58 PM
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Let's walk before we run. When you draft a Luca Sbisa in the 1st round, you expect him to be a top 4 d-man at the very least, so that really is expectation rather than projection.

However, while Sbisa looks great, let's not hand him a spot in the NHL at the age of 19 either. We have the luxury of bringing him along at a comfortable pace.

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09-27-2008, 08:04 PM
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I completely agree. Having said that, I don't think Toronto sees Luke Schenn as a PP QB. He was drafted in round 1 as a shut down d-man. On the other hand, Ottawa did not pick Erik Karlsson for his physical prowess. If EK makes the show, it will be as an offensive specialist. What is Luca's projected role? I'm guessing somewhere in between.

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09-27-2008, 08:16 PM
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Toronto also drafted him 1st overall.

I'm talking about being a top 4 d-man, but if Schenn is going to be a #1 d-man, he's going to have to handle the puck in offensive situations at some point.

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09-27-2008, 08:28 PM
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I don't know. I think Schenn's projected as an Adam Foote type. Adam wore the C in Columbus, but I don't think he logged a minute of PP time. So, I would say Schenn projects as a top-2, playing against the other team's top lines, but not in an offensive role at all.

The reason I raised Schenn and Karlsson is because I see his projected role as an important factor in how long it will take him to get to the Flyers. In an offensive role, the track could be faster. If he's competing for a generalist, or shut-down role, he won't make it until he puts on 25 pounds.

His offensive numbers weren't staggering last year, but they were very good. I saw him at the WJC, and he had a lot of offensive responsibility, but his team was not blessed with depth on D.

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I am guessing from his size and speed that we would look at him as a top-4 D man.
Does he project as a top-2? Is he a realistic candidate to QB the PP in 3 or 4 years?
When I hear him compared to Mark Streit, I think he must be a QB candidate, but I haven't heard anyone say so directly.
I think Kimmo Timonen wouldn't be an awful comparison. Streit is terrible defensively, Sbisa IS NOT. He's an all around d-man whose willing to hit, will take a hit, can skate, pass, shoot and use his stick effective defensively.

#1? I'm not sure but it IS possible. And yes I expect him to be a 1st unit PP qb at some point

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How would Duncan Keith be as a comparable? He has speed, moves the puck well, jumps up into the play, but is more than willing to use his smaller body.

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How would Duncan Keith be as a comparable? He has speed, moves the puck well, jumps up into the play, but is more than willing to use his smaller body.
Keith is like a defensive genius, he's probably the most underrated dman in the game. I don't know if Sbisa will ever be that good defensively, but I think his offensive game will probably be better a more fluid puck mover, better shot.

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09-27-2008, 08:46 PM
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I just fear he turns into Marc-Andre Bergeron.

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I just fear he turns into Marc-Andre Bergeron.
He seems much smarter and talented defensively that Bergeron does even now IMO

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He seems much smarter and talented defensively that Bergeron does even now IMO
I remember when everyone thought Bergeron was the **** just waiting to bloom.

But yeah, I agree to an extent, from the little i've seen of Sbisa.

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I remember when everyone thought Bergeron was the **** just waiting to bloom.
Yeah I understand what your saying, but I think someone much more comparable would be Ratchuk. A guy who's clearly brilliant offensively and "has all the makings" of someone who COULD be good defensively.

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09-27-2008, 09:08 PM
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All projections aside, I think what "The Leaning Tower of Sbisa" (I know, it's a bad nickname, that wont stick, but I had to throw that out there. If he was 6'5"+ it would work better) has proven since being drafted, playing in prospect/rookie/training camp, and now his first few preseason games, is that we've got the potential to have a really good one on our hands with Luca. He could be a Flyer by the very, very earliest next year, but he doesn't need to be rushed at all. Regardless of it all, this experience he's getting in the preseason, including having a pretty dang good game in such a memorable game today, should be invaluable to his development. I look for him to have a huge year in Lethbridge, when he eventually gets there.

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I just fear he turns into Marc-Andre Bergeron.
It's more like Bergeron turned into Steve Duchesne.

Bergeron was never that solid of a defenseman when he came up, he just had gifted puck-moving skills and offensive talent. These guys are not always bad players for your team, but they're not good enough where you don't mind getting rid of them. That's why these types of players keep getting tossed around. Could be a reason why he wasn't even drafted (and he had 74 points in his 19YO season)

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All projections aside, I think what "The Leaning Tower of Sbisa" (I know, it's a bad nickname, that wont stick, but I had to throw that out there. If he was 6'5"+ it would work better) has proven since being drafted, playing in prospect/rookie/training camp, and now his first few preseason games, is that we've got the potential to have a really good one on our hands with Luca. He could be a Flyer by the very, very earliest next year, but he doesn't need to be rushed at all. Regardless of it all, this experience he's getting in the preseason, including having a pretty dang good game in such a memorable game today, should be invaluable to his development. I look for him to have a huge year in Lethbridge, when he eventually gets there.
With Don Luce with the team, he does not believe in getting high draft picks into the NHL ASAP. Looking back in his history, that isn't the trend, and he believes in the system, and he believes in the AHL. This is one reason why I don't think Claude Giroux (even though Luce wasn't there yet) won't be on the team if it's not the time.

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09-27-2008, 10:21 PM
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With Don Luce with the team, he does not believe in getting high draft picks into the NHL ASAP. Looking back in his history, that isn't the trend, and he believes in the system, and he believes in the AHL. This is one reason why I don't think Claude Giroux (even though Luce wasn't there yet) won't be on the team if it's not the time.
Yeah, I've heard all that, but there's always exceptions to the rules, and Sbisa could be one. I'm not saying he will be, but it's always possible. As for Giroux, I think he was lightly penciled into the Flyers opening day lineup, but after a mediocre camp so far, he just may start with the Phantoms.

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I thinkw e will continue to see asham liek signings. but the focus now is to try to keep this team together if possible

SOmething I would love us to do but probally will not see: get Upshall a cheap 4 year extension. I am a huge fan of his and do not think that downie can replace what he brings. 4 year 10 mil???? 8 mil???? 12 mil???? something like that
I think if the team wants him to stay, Scottie will. It's the same way I felt about Carter, he'd be crazy to leave. There's something pretty special going on in Philly right now and Scottie can be an integral piece of it all. If I were him, I'd walk into Homer's office and say, "I want to stay here, and I'm willing to sign a contract-within reason-that allows me to do so."

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All projections aside, I think what "The Leaning Tower of Sbisa" (I know, it's a bad nickname, that wont stick, but I had to throw that out there. If he was 6'5"+ it would work better)
And had scoliosis

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And had scoliosis
Or a hunchback.

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Or a hunchback.
I'd settle for him enjoying pizza. Though admittedly, I enjoy cornyness in some forms.

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