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09-28-2008, 02:18 PM
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Relax guys, it was just one good game so far. Didn't completely outplayed any of the forwards in front of him in this camp, so he will have to do more than this to secure a spot for the opening night roster.

Let's see if he can pull it out on a consistent basis, which I doubt he can...


You think Lapierre played better than him???

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09-28-2008, 02:21 PM
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Damn almost 3 pages of Erika Kostitsyn free discussion about Chipchura.

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I not sure he can skate well enough to make himself a good NHLer. Maybe 3 line center at tops...in the mode of a Brian Skrudland. Good size, grit, add the odd goal but not a great skater. Chips should have good trade value as he is young, NHL ready and a former #1 pick. If a trade comes about near the deadline for a star player I am not against packaging him with say Fischer,(maybe more not sure what it will take) for a star. We have depth in d prospects to make such a move.
Isnt that exactly what he was drafted for?

Maybe he got caught in numbers game last season, and now, but we will need him in near future. I'd rather see us developing our own 3rd line center, that resorting to another patch like Juneau, Bonk Smolinski or Lang (it seems). White, mentioned above, will likely need a couple years worth of AHL games - and hes no sure thing either.

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09-28-2008, 03:56 PM
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Relax guys, it was just one good game so far. Didn't completely outplayed any of the forwards in front of him in this camp, so he will have to do more than this to secure a spot for the opening night roster.

Let's see if he can pull it out on a consistent basis, which I doubt he can...


Not really his job to outplay any of the wingers out there. Then, not his job to outplay Pleks, Koivu and Lang. But it's his job to secure the 4th line centerman spot duty and as far as outplaying somebody, just in 1 game he did more than "I would love to play centerman but I don't know how" Lapierre did since the start of the preseason.

Problem with Chipchura is more about the salary cap and the one-way salaries in front of him than his play on the ice, even though he looked lost during the preseason in Pierrefonds and relatively average during other NHL teams. But yesterday? Not only he was by far the best Habs (some people might say it wasn't hard 'cause of the lineup) but that's exactly it. Due to shortage of talent, he took charge of that team yesterday and minus the end of the 2nd period, we were right up there with almost a full Sens lineup. Please be sure to make me notice such effort when Maxim is on the ice. Lapierre might win a run and chase game, but a hockey game, he doesn't have the smarts to do ESPEICALLY at the center position. Strangely, the Habs noticed that when they were suppose to send him down to let him play the wings but eventually didn't for some reasons....

Unless we find a team for Dandenault, Kostopoulos and maybe even Bégin, Chip is going down but not for his play.....We did see that before right? A guy send down 'cause of technical issues???

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09-28-2008, 04:06 PM
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Chipchura doesn't bring enough energy to be a 4th line center. This line has to be an energy line, and Chipchura is not mean enough for this task.

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09-28-2008, 04:09 PM
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I suggest letting Lapierre and Chipchura fight for the 4th line center spot. Whoever gets dropped is cut.


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09-28-2008, 04:16 PM
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Chipchura doesn't bring enough energy to be a 4th line center. This line has to be an energy line, and Chipchura is not mean enough for this task.
Since Carbo uses his 4th line probably more than any other team in this league, your 4th line still needs to know how to play hockey. While he's not the meanest, if you have a line of Lappy-Chip-Laraque, you have the pest, the smarts, and the bad-ass......how's that not a complement and how's that not a perfect recipe for a 4th line that still needs to bang but play hockey at the same time.

Then Chip brings you a PK'er that will let Koivu taking care of his regular duty and some PP to not make him tired since he can't play more than 20 minutes per game. And same might apply to Pleks as well. Chip is a specialist that if he upgrades his faceoffs skills, will become a great asset not only for what he does but for the break he will give the vets to not be overused and be fatigued for the playoffs.

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09-28-2008, 05:29 PM
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Since Carbo uses his 4th line probably more than any other team in this league, your 4th line still needs to know how to play hockey. While he's not the meanest, if you have a line of Lappy-Chip-Laraque, you have the pest, the smarts, and the bad-ass......how's that not a complement and how's that not a perfect recipe for a 4th line that still needs to bang but play hockey at the same time.

Then Chip brings you a PK'er that will let Koivu taking care of his regular duty and some PP to not make him tired since he can't play more than 20 minutes per game. And same might apply to Pleks as well. Chip is a specialist that if he upgrades his faceoffs skills, will become a great asset not only for what he does but for the break he will give the vets to not be overused and be fatigued for the playoffs.
I pretty much agree with this entire post.

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09-28-2008, 05:39 PM
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Relax guys, it was just one good game so far. Didn't completely outplayed any of the forwards in front of him in this camp, so he will have to do more than this to secure a spot for the opening night roster.

Let's see if he can pull it out on a consistent basis, which I doubt he can...


Here to teach, with less knowledge of the subject than that famous hockey mom, Sarah Palin
Here's an instance of a so-called Habs fan (well, actually a fickle one with divided loyalties who equally loves the Sens and the Habs) actually wanting a Montréal player to fail to justify her preconceived notions. Success for Chipchura would irritate her nerve endings.

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09-28-2008, 05:52 PM
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I like Lapierre but this is a bit of an odd statement. Chipchura is probably stronger (evidenced by his work along the boards), takes the body harder and will fight without hesitation. Lapierre gets on his man faster and throws his body around more but doesn't seem to do a lot of damage. Put them side by side and Laps will duck a hit or fight before Chip.
Lets say they are both gritty but differently, ive never seen anyone talk about how they hate to play against Chip, on the other hand, ive seen a whole team and a coatch going nuts over Lapierre.

But of course, both are not constant, sometime lappy is not inspired and sometime chip is too slow.

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09-28-2008, 06:02 PM
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Relax guys, it was just one good game so far. Didn't completely outplayed any of the forwards in front of him in this camp, so he will have to do more than this to secure a spot for the opening night roster.

Let's see if he can pull it out on a consistent basis, which I doubt he can...


I'm curious as to what gives you more pleasure. Watching a kid develop into a regular NHL player , or seeing a player you don't like fail , making you right ?

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09-28-2008, 06:37 PM
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I'm curious as to what gives you more pleasure. Watching a kid develop into a regular NHL player , or seeing a player you don't like fail , making you right ?
Only thuh self-destructive folks like seein uhh kid fail

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Only thuh self-destructive folks like seein uhh kid fail
There's a German word that describes that type of personality disorder, die Schadenfreude, a malicious pleasure or gloating over someone's misfortune. It's not charming to bombard us with sustained harping about Chipchura (or Higgins, for that matter). As though that poster has any insight!

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I'm curious as to what gives you more pleasure. Watching a kid develop into a regular NHL player , or seeing a player you don't like fail , making you right ?
I think it's pretty obvious what the answer here is...

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Chipchura doesn't bring enough energy to be a 4th line center. This line has to be an energy line, and Chipchura is not mean enough for this task.
Lappierre and Laraque will bring the energy, an all energy players line never do so good, infact it's exactly where Chipchura belongs right now, he solidifies the 4th line and makes alot more reliable in the defensive zone not to mention he brings alot more offense then Bégin or Kosto or Dandenault could ever dream of

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09-28-2008, 09:15 PM
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Isnt that exactly what he was drafted for?

Maybe he got caught in numbers game last season, and now, but we will need him in near future. I'd rather see us developing our own 3rd line center, that resorting to another patch like Juneau, Bonk Smolinski or Lang (it seems). White, mentioned above, will likely need a couple years worth of AHL games - and hes no sure thing either.
Little doubt Gainey will go for a star offensive player. He has tried hard for Sundin in the past, and Briere the year before, even Shanahan year before that. Little doubt he will add a star either at the deadline or over the summer. It would not surprise me at all to see Gainey go hard after a player like Garobik. Chipchura be prime candidate to go in the deal.

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09-29-2008, 07:41 AM
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Chipchura should stay with the big club. I think he has played very well and he brings a total game to the team.

For everyone that is saying that he only had one good game, they are wrong. I was at the un-televised game in Detroit and he was among the best on the ice. He was always involved in the play and was used in all facets of the game. I don't care that CKAC said he was out of position on the first Detroit goal. That goal was not his fault.

Other posters who actually saw the game have agreed that he was good in Detroit. Couple that with the Ottawa game and you have a guy who has outplayed Lapierre.

Now I like what Lapierre brings to the game, so I hope we move him to the wing and go with a Lapierre-Chipchura-Laraque/Kostopoulos 4th line.

This guy would be a 3rd liner on most teams in the NHL this year and should be ours in a year or two. But for now, he should be on our 4th.

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09-29-2008, 10:59 AM
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I don't want to blame him for his faceoff, but ppl were saying this is why carbo sent him back to the AHL last year. He's a great player but the truth is if our 3rd line is Lats - Lang - S.K, i think they will play alot more than last year, the 4th line won't play much, we will want energy player on that 4th line. Anyway, i just wanted to explain that its completly understandable for Carbo not to use Chippy over lets say Begin/Kosto - Lapierre - Laraque/Dandy. He his still young and that he can still devellop alright by playing in the AHL. Im sure Gainey would never send kosto or dandy in the AHL.
On most teams, I'd agree, but Carbonneau has shown, since taking over the team, that he likes rotating 4 lines. The additional ice time is earned on the special teams. Chipchura would be very useful on the PK.

As for the reasons for being sent down last year, it was due to his face-off % being at around 40% as at that time, he was largely outplaying Lapierre. He went to Hamilton and worked on that aspect of his game. I don't see why we would think that there wouldn't be an improvement.

Don't get me wrong, I like Lapierre, but I feel that we should get rid of Dandenault and keep Chipper up in Montreal, rotating him and Lapierre on the fourth line, get them to earn their spot.

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I am kind of worried about his skating. However, even with that he will be a very good NHLer. Ryan White kind of makes Chipchura redundant in my opinion. I would consider packaging Chips in a deal to get a star player at the deadline because of this.
He'll be fine. If he was a buzzsaw like tko, then I'd be worried, but chip seems to play a very economical game. As long as he's in the right places at the right time (which he seems to have a knack for doing), he will get away with his current skating abilities, even at the nhl level.

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Lappierre and Laraque will bring the energy, an all energy players line never do so good, infact it's exactly where Chipchura belongs right now, he solidifies the 4th line and makes alot more reliable in the defensive zone not to mention he brings alot more offense then Bégin or Kosto or Dandenault could ever dream of
I guess Chip could play the Smolinski part.

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Relax guys, it was just one good game so far. Didn't completely outplayed any of the forwards in front of him in this camp, so he will have to do more than this to secure a spot for the opening night roster.

Let's see if he can pull it out on a consistent basis, which I doubt he can...


Fact: Chipchura's performance in Detroit was a better individual performance this pre-season than any game Sergei Kostitsyn has had in the pre-season.

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Fact: Chipchura's performance in Detroit was a better individual performance this pre-season than any game Sergei Kostitsyn has had in the pre-season.

Stick in pipe. Proceed to smoke.
Fact: Sergei Kostitsyn >>>>>>>> Kyle Chipchura and it's not even close

Stick in pipe. Proceed to smoke.



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I'm glad we'll have Kyle Chipchura around in the future to kill all the penalties that Sergei takes.

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I guess Chip could play the Smolinski part.
Exactly, but with more firepower and leadership then last year's version of Smolinski

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