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09-13-2008, 02:49 PM
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Which would mean Doughty would have the best rookie season ever (finishing in the top 5 in voting for the Norris and/or Hart trophies, scoring in the top 10 in the NHL for defensemen and being voted to the year end all star team). If he does all of that he deserves $3.45 million (actually he would get more than $3.45 million....but he would deserve that too).
My advice in that regard would be that no one, least of all Drew, should be holding their breath waiting for that to happen. He'll be lucky, and we will all be VERY IMPRESSED if he scores as much as Lubo did last season. I wouldn't advise holding one's brerath for that either, but we can hope!!!

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That's his cap hit, not his salary. I calculated the "total salary" not the "total cap hit."
I think you should look at the title of this thread so as not confuse folks.

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I think you should look at the title of this thread so as not confuse folks.
I posted the salary breakdown because some people have been taking what Rich Hammond mentioned was the cash limit (around 40 million) as being the team's cap limit. I thought it might have been useful to show those people that interchangeably use the terms "cap" and "salary" with no distinction that there's a big difference between the two.

But if it's that confusing to keep straight I'll take it down.

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09-16-2008, 09:57 AM
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Updated with Richardson's cap number and removed Gabe Gauthier...

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You have 22 players listed. Unless I missed something... can't NHL Teams carry 23 players?

EDIT : Or are you saving a spot for O'Sullivan?

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09-16-2008, 01:16 PM
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You have 22 players listed. Unless I missed something... can't NHL Teams carry 23 players?

EDIT : Or are you saving a spot for O'Sullivan?
wouldn't you?

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wouldn't you?
Yea... I wasn't really paying attention the first time through... when I realized the spot for O'Sullivan it made sense.

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09-21-2008, 01:16 PM
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Current Est. Total ----- 39,144,617

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Would Hickey's contract be enough to reach the floor?

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Would Hickey's contract be enough to reach the floor?
No.....The Kings are $1.6 million from the floor (that is including Doughty and all of his bonuses). Hickey with all of his bonuses is only a $1.35 million cap hit. So if he made the team they would be $250,000 shy of the cap. They could do it if they swapped Zeiler with Simmonds....but that would still probably just barely make it.

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The Kings are going to add a vetern defencemen so once they do so they'll likely be over the cap.

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Can the Kings make the salary cap floor without signing anybody else? Do they enough ELCs with bonuses to make the floor? Is there a combination of currently signed players that would allow the Kings to play this season or do they have to sign at least one more person?

I don't think that Lombardi has as much leverage with teams that are over the cap as he thinks he does. Any team over the cap looking to trade with the Kings knows that the Kings need to add salary as much as they (teams over the cap) need to lose it. I think that being under the cap floor is just as bad as being over it.

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09-26-2008, 10:20 PM
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Can the Kings make the salary cap floor without signing anybody else? Do they enough ELCs with bonuses to make the floor? Is there a combination of currently signed players that would allow the Kings to play this season or do they have to sign at least one more person?

I don't think that Lombardi has as much leverage with teams that are over the cap as he thinks he does. Any team over the cap looking to trade with the Kings knows that the Kings need to add salary as much as they (teams over the cap) need to lose it. I think that being under the cap floor is just as bad as being over it.
The Kings could make the salary floor if Dean did some creative shuffling of the active roster. As it stands right now the Kings are $1.6 million shy of the salary floor. If they add Hickey to the lineup they are about $250,000 under.....Then if they swap Ellis ($475k) or Zeiler ($544k) with someone like Moller ($875k) or Simmonds ($821k) then the team would barely be at the salary floor. But since about $4 million of that would be practically unattainable bonuses the team would have to add more salary as the season progressed. They also would not be able to sand players down to juniors or the AHL without calling up a player making the sama or more money than the one being sent down.

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09-27-2008, 02:31 PM
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Can the Kings make the salary cap floor without signing anybody else?
Yes. I'd think Clune (broken bone in his chest; according to Hammond, out for an "extended period of time") and/or Cliche (separated shoulder) will start the year on the Kings IR, similar to Petiot spending 5 months on the IR in the 2006-07 season after being injured in the 2006 rookie tournament.

The main problem the Kings will have (as Spongebob has stated) will be at the end of the season after a lot of the performance bonuses become impossible to achieve and no longer count against the cap.

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09-28-2008, 12:22 AM
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Yes. I'd think Clune (broken bone in his chest; according to Hammond, out for an "extended period of time") and/or Cliche (separated shoulder) will start the year on the Kings IR, similar to Petiot spending 5 months on the IR in the 2006-07 season after being injured in the 2006 rookie tournament.

The main problem the Kings will have (as Spongebob has stated) will be at the end of the season after a lot of the performance bonuses become impossible to achieve and no longer count against the cap.
These two together would equate to $1.475 million and then whoever replaces O'Sullivan would likely make up the difference. But the problem with this scenario is once either Clune or Cliche were medically cleared to play the team would have to find a way to replace their salaries on the roster before they could be sent back to Manchester. Unless the Kings sign O'Sullivan or trade for a player with a larger salary this could pose a huge problem in the foreseeable future.

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09-28-2008, 12:39 PM
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These two together would equate to $1.475 million and then whoever replaces O'Sullivan would likely make up the difference. But the problem with this scenario is once either Clune or Cliche were medically cleared to play the team would have to find a way to replace their salaries on the roster before they could be sent back to Manchester. Unless the Kings sign O'Sullivan or trade for a player with a larger salary this could pose a huge problem in the foreseeable future.
Not really. Clune's and Cliche's time on the IR would just have to account for $250,000-$425,000.

Right now, the Kings are at $38.7 million with 21 players accounted for (I should note that I am using Zeiler instead of Ellis as the 14th forward since Zeiler is on a one-way and Ellis is on a two-way). With one of Moller/Simmonds and one of Martinez/Piskula/Bagnall, the Kings would $250,000-$425,000 away from the cap to start the season.

So if any of the following occur before Clune and Cliche are ready to go to Manchester, the Kings will be fine until the end of the season when a lot of the bonuses become impossible to reach:

1. Hickey makes the team instead of Martinez/Piskula/Bagnall.
2. O'Sullivan signs.
3. The Kings acquire a veteran defenseman.
4. Clune's and/or Cliche's time on the IR accounts for the aforementioned $250,000-$425,000.
5. Other injuries occur, making up the difference the needed $250,000-$425,000 and the cap hit that Clune and Cliche incur.

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09-28-2008, 10:23 PM
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Not really. Clune's and Cliche's time on the IR would just have to account for $250,000-$425,000.
I honestly do not think that these guys will be on the IR long enough to accumulate that much money.

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Right now, the Kings are at $38.7 million with 21 players accounted for (I should note that I am using Zeiler instead of Ellis as the 14th forward since Zeiler is on a one-way and Ellis is on a two-way). With one of Moller/Simmonds and one of Martinez/Piskula/Bagnall, the Kings would $250,000-$425,000 away from the cap to start the season.
I guess it depends on who you are including in your roster. Because your figures are much different than mine.

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So if any of the following occur before Clune and Cliche are ready to go to Manchester, the Kings will be fine until the end of the season when a lot of the bonuses become impossible to reach:

1. Hickey makes the team instead of Martinez/Piskula/Bagnall.
2. O'Sullivan signs.
3. The Kings acquire a veteran defenseman.
4. Clune's and/or Cliche's time on the IR accounts for the aforementioned $250,000-$425,000.
5. Other injuries occur, making up the difference the needed $250,000-$425,000 and the cap hit that Clune and Cliche incur.
Those situations would potentially make up for the remainder of the money....but those are a lot of ifs.....I also am still not completely comfortable with using rookie bonuses to reach the salary floor. If any of these rookies (Doughty included) show any signs that they are not ready when the season begins Dean will not be able to send them back to juniors/AHL because he will fall beneath the salary floor....thus forcing him to keep unprepared rookies on the NHL roster just to remain cap compliant.

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09-29-2008, 03:29 PM
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I guess it depends on who you are including in your roster. Because your figures are much different than mine.
Players ------------------- Cap Hit
HANDZUS, MICHAL ----- C - 4,000,000
STOLL, JARRET ------- C - 3,600,000
BROWN, DUSTIN ------- W - 3,175,000
FROLOV, ALEXANDER --- W - 2,900,000
CALDER, KYLE -------- W - 2,700,000
ARMSTRONG, DEREK ---- C - 1,500,000
PURCELL, EDWARD ----- W - 1,350,000
KOPITAR, ANZE ------- C --- 955,867
BOYLE, BRIAN -------- C --- 835,000
IVANANS, RAITIS ----- W --- 600,000
RICHARDSON, BRAD ---- R --- 587,500
ZEILER, JOHN -------- W --- 543,750
MOULSON, MATT ------- W --- 522,500
DOUGHTY, DREW ------- D - 3,475,000
PREISSING, TOM ------ D - 2,750,000
JOHNSON, JACK ------- D - 2,150,000
GAUTHIER, DENIS ----- D - 2,100,000
GREENE, MATT -------- D - 1,150,000
HARROLD, PETER ------ D --- 583,333
LABARBERA, JASON ---- G --- 825,000
ERSBERG, ERIK ------- G --- 700,000

Buyouts ------------------- Cap Hit
CLOUTIER, DAN ------- G - 1,033,333
MCCAULEY, ALAN ------ L --- 666,667

Current Cap Total ------ 38,702,950

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09-29-2008, 05:43 PM
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Players ------------------- Cap Hit
Current Cap Total ------ 38,702,950
So if we add Hickey and Moller to get to the 23 man roster the Kings are at $40,923,783, which would put them over the floor. Then if/when they sign O'Sullivan, they can send Hickey and Moller back to their junior teams.

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So if we add Hickey and Moller to get to the 23 man roster the Kings are at $40,923,783, which would put them over the floor. Then if/when they sign O'Sullivan, they can send Hickey and Moller back to their junior teams.
Just adding Hickey and Moller gives you 25 players on a 23-man roster.

Even if you replace Harrold ($583,333) and Moulson ($522,500) who are the lowest paid defender and forward on that list with Moller ($875,000) and Hickey ($1,345,833) you'd be at $39,817,950.

Whatever terms O'Sullivan is signed to with his new contract should push the Kings above the cap floor, though.

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Just adding Hickey and Moller gives you 25 players on a 23-man roster.

Even if you replace Harrold ($583,333) and Moulson ($522,500) who are the lowest paid defender and forward on that list with Moller ($875,000) and Hickey ($1,345,833) you'd be at $39,817,950.

Whatever terms O'Sullivan is signed to with his new contract should push the Kings above the cap floor, though.
No, adding Hickey and Moller gives you 23 players on a 23-man roster. The list I gave was for 21 players and 2 buyouts, not 23 players.

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So if we add Hickey and Moller to get to the 23 man roster the Kings are at $40,923,783, which would put them over the floor. Then if/when they sign O'Sullivan, they can send Hickey and Moller back to their junior teams.
It would work......but you are talking about icing a team with 8 rookies? I do not think that would be wise for several reasons.....but this is Lombardi we are talking about so I think that will probably happen.

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It would work......but you are talking about icing a team with 8 rookies? I do not think that would be wise for several reasons.....but this is Lombardi we are talking about so I think that will probably happen.
To ice a team at the cap floor, you would have to have a lot of rookies. Lombardi did say that the goal of this off season was to get younger.

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Updated with O'Donnell... added Simmonds, removed Ellis.

The Cap Situation with 23 players and 2 buyouts

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Face Wash, the cap number on Harrold was modified from its original estimated yellow-shaded estimate of $550,000 to $583,333.

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Face Wash, the cap number on Harrold was modified from its original estimated yellow-shaded estimate of $550,000 to $583,333.
you are correct. thanks Sam.

Also removed Zeiler who went on IR today and added Westgarth (between him and Moller who makes a little more, but I picked Westgarth because he's already proven himself at Manchester and Moller hasn't. Although, I'd love to see Moller make the team.)


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