Unfortunately, there is no place in the line-up for Chipchura at the moment, the kid isnt in competition with one of our top 6 wingers, he is in competition with guys like Begin Kosto and Dandeneault, which ones are all under contract (one way).. Gainey has to get rid of at least one of them to make room for Chipchu..
Chipchura doesn't bring enough energy to be a 4th line center. This line has to be an energy line, and Chipchura is not mean enough for this task.
Just because it's labeled as a 4th line doesn't mean it has to be an energy line. The 4th line could be another offensive trio in which case I'd Pacioretty Maxwell and D'agostine, but it could also be a shutdown line especially since we don't technically have one. In my opinion Chipchura is a better overall player than Maxime(although I love Laps and hate to see him go down) but Chips is better than Laps in every asset of the game except speed. Chipchura also has better offensive awarness that Maxime.
I think I'd rather have my 4th a shutdown line than an energy line and if that is so, Chipchura is much more suited to that type of play then Lappiere is.
Defensive awarness: Chips>Laps
Offensive Awarness: Chips>Laps
Speed: Chips<Laps
Strength in the corners: Chips>Laps
Leadership: Chips>Laps
P.K: Chips>Laps
Faceoffs:Chips>Laps(Atleast what we saw in the preseason)
Imo Chips should be on this team, in an ideal world Lappiere would play wing and the line would be Lappiere Chipchura Laraque, but until Begin and Dandenault are gone I'd rather see Chips on the team than Lappiere.
Imo Chips should be on this team, in an ideal world Lappiere would play wing and the line would be Lappiere Chipchura Laraque, but until Begin and Dandenault are gone I'd rather see Chips on the team than Lappiere.
Laps won't be sent to Hamilton... He has to be put on waivers to go down... chipchura doesnt. Thats why this really needs to be about clearing room for Chipchura.... the ways to do this are.
Dandenault out via trade
Dandenault out via waivers (claimed ) if not send him to Hamilton.
Begin out via trade
if it comes down to keeping Lapierre on the team vs keeping Chipchura for this year... they will keep Lappy as this will mean both players remain property of the team. I don't think they are ready to ditch either of them.
Fact: Sergei Kostitsyn >>>>>>>> Kyle Chipchura and it's not even close
Stick in pipe. Proceed to smoke.
I don't know why the need to push a player down in order to try to make your beloved one look better. It's not working as most here know better and can read right through such posts. Most here can appreciate what every prospect can bring to the table.
After whatching the Ottawa game ive came to the conclusion that many people here and in the media must hate him.
jcpenny posted this on Saturday night and further proof of what he was talking about tonight:
On La Zone, Pigface Villeneuve basically asked ''Is Kyle Chipchura still in camp only because he's a former 1st rounder?''
@#$!@$%. He's played in only two pre-season games, was very strong in the 2nd half of the first one and the best Habs forward in the 2nd one and people wonder why he's still around? At least Gerard Gagnon said Chipchura was improved compared to a year ago.
Thankfully, the list of young players Villeneuve has trashed in recent years is long and most have come out to be good ones...Andrei Kostitsyn, Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Markov, Mark Streit all come to mind...
jcpenny posted this on Saturday night and further proof of what he was talking about tonight:
On La Zone, Pigface Villeneuve basically asked ''Is Kyle Chipchura still in camp only because he's a former 1st rounder?''
@#$!@$%. He's played in only two pre-season games, was very strong in the 2nd half of the first one and the best Habs forward in the 2nd one and people wonder why he's still around? At least Gerard Gagnon said Chipchura was improved compared to a year ago.
Thankfully, the list of young players Villeneuve has trashed in recent years is long and most have come out to be good ones...Andrei Kostitsyn, Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Markov, Mark Streit all come to mind...
Keep it coming Villeneuve, we've got yet another dandy here!
I agree with this. Chips is a smart solid player and I'm not sure that there's anything left for him to learn in Hamilton. I love the chipiness in Lapierre's game but he needs to work on his consistency a little bit. If we could get both of these guys going, they'd make the great foundation for a 3rd/4th line in the future. I think they'd work really well together.
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I never understand why peopl compare Lapierre and Chipchura, they are totally different players, fighting for the same spot, but totally different players. One is not "better" than the other, they just offer different things to the team.
Lapierre is a go into the corners, body check, talk all night to annoy the other team type of player while Chipchura has the potential to be a true shutdown center, he is very smart and has increidible hockey sense. In an ideal world, Lapierre would be playing wing on the same line as Chipchura .. thats how I see the future of these two guys.
Kind of like mini-me versions of Claude Lemieux and Guy Carbonneau.
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jcpenny posted this on Saturday night and further proof of what he was talking about tonight:
On La Zone, Pigface Villeneuve basically asked ''Is Kyle Chipchura still in camp only because he's a former 1st rounder?''
@#$!@$%. He's played in only two pre-season games, was very strong in the 2nd half of the first one and the best Habs forward in the 2nd one and people wonder why he's still around? At least Gerard Gagnon said Chipchura was improved compared to a year ago.
Thankfully, the list of young players Villeneuve has trashed in recent years is long and most have come out to be good ones...Andrei Kostitsyn, Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Markov, Mark Streit all come to mind...
The Montreal media has always been known to bring down players and often, it is unjustified. Another example, on RDS, they've been critisizing O'byrne and Geoges play so far in camp. IMO the two of them have been very good so far especially OByrne who seems to be more confident. I remember few days ago Gaston Therrien saying that OByrne was having a poor camp and wasnt physical enough. As he was saying this we could see a clip of OByrne totally LAYING OUT a Panther in the last game. How's that for objectivity?
I love Chips, but I love Laps too. Yes, Chips has had the better preseason, but lets not forget what a valuable player Laps was for us when it mattered most in the playoffs. Personally I like Laps better as a winger, and hope both are parts of out 4th line along with Laraque...
Yes. And Lapierre has been far from bad thus far in the preseason, and is killing penalties with gusto.
If Chipchura replaces anyone in the regular lineup, it will be Begin or Kostopoulos.
I mean, I'm a bit of a Lapierre homer, but there's nothing unfair about the situation. I don't even think they're in competition for the same roster spot.
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The best thing about Kyle Chipchura tonight for me was how concentrated he looked at face-offs, you can see that he REALLY wants to excel in that department, there was 1 shift that O'byrne got a penalty and Chipper hit the ice pretty hard with his stick to lay off some steam, for me that's awesome attitude, the team has so much depth that a player like Chipchura has to bring his full potential to the table right now or else he won't make the team, but tonight he was A+, his control of the puck continues to surprise me
Let's assume that by december, we will have one forward and one defender out for some injuries - might happen. Or that some players really dissapoint a lot.
Then you will bring Chipchura/Pacioretty or Weber from Hamilton. It will make sense and you will still have the best team possible. To make room for them now you would have to waive Lapierre and/or Lats and lose them (happened before didn't it?) - or dump a Begin, Kostopoulos or Obyrne who do not deserve it.
There is always time to bring up young guys mid season - not like we will lose our playoff spot.
How quickly people forget how great Laps was in the playoffs. I agree with RedSkull, laps is not the player chips is competing with anyways.
Lapierre-Chipchura-Laraque/Kostopoulos is the 4th line I hope to see if things stay as is.
But I'd waive Dandenault. And then heck i think we should try to move Kostopoulos, the guy is a great 4th liner and I'm sure a bubble team that needs a player like him would take him on and give him an everyday spot. And then have Begin backing up all three spots and playing for Laraque when we go against teams without heavyweights...
) if not send him to Hamilton.
At least Gerard Gagnon said Chipchura was improved compared to a year ago.
