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Luca Sbisa

View Poll Results: When decision time comes, will he stay in the NHL or be sent back to juniors?
Yes, he will stay with the Flyers 98 75.38%
No, he will be sent back to juniors 32 24.62%
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09-30-2008, 03:25 PM
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two way has nothing to do with it
sure it does. if eminger or vaananen have 1 way contracts and dont make the team then we lose them. im saying that there are guys who have to play on the flyers because they signed one way contracts. parent should make the team and jones will too. that leaves eminger, vaananen, kukkonen, and berard fighting for two starting spots and a 7th defenseman spot. one is out and if one has the ability to play for the phantoms without being put on waivers then two way contracts become relevant

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09-30-2008, 03:40 PM
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sure it does. if eminger or vaananen have 1 way contracts and dont make the team then we lose them. im saying that there are guys who have to play on the flyers because they signed one way contracts. parent should make the team and jones will too. that leaves eminger, vaananen, kukkonen, and berard fighting for two starting spots and a 7th defenseman spot. one is out and if one has the ability to play for the phantoms without being put on waivers then two way contracts become relevant
The only spots that are 100% locks to make the team (if they arent traded) are Kimmo, Coburn and Jones. Ossi is pretty close to a lock as well. Eminger would be next on the list I would think. The question marks are basically Parent, Kukk, and Berard.

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09-30-2008, 04:05 PM
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I was hoping Parent would have stepped it up, looks like he will get loads of time with the Phantoms or a call up if Eminger starts sucking.

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09-30-2008, 04:38 PM
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All I have to say is that I've seen a good amount of Sbisa so far in this preseason and I think it's plenty clear that he's not ready to be playing in the NHL yet.

I'm sure he'll be very good for us in the future, but there's no question he needs more size/weight, strength, and just some more overall development.

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09-30-2008, 06:10 PM
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sure it does. if eminger or vaananen have 1 way contracts and dont make the team then we lose them. im saying that there are guys who have to play on the flyers because they signed one way contracts. parent should make the team and jones will too. that leaves eminger, vaananen, kukkonen, and berard fighting for two starting spots and a 7th defenseman spot. one is out and if one has the ability to play for the phantoms without being put on waivers then two way contracts become relevant
2 way has nothing to do with it, because all 2 way means is you get 1 salary in the NHL and a different (lower) one in the AHL. The important part and what you are talking about is whether the players are waiver eligible

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09-30-2008, 07:36 PM
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Parent better make the team. he may not be great now, but by midseason, he will be key to this team. he is ready, he plays smart and does not fall under the pressure

Timmonen- Coburn
Jones-Vananen
Parent-Eminger
kukks or berard

I really like that lineup, switch vananen or parent if you want. Matching the 2 stay at home with 2 puck movers

Sbisa should be sent down. He could use the extra ice time he will get in the WCL or w/e he will be in

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09-30-2008, 08:40 PM
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I have no problem with Parent on the phantoms

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09-30-2008, 09:08 PM
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I agree with you that he should go back, I think he needs to get stronger physically...as he definitely was getting knocked over too easily for someone with his skating ability. He needs to develop his core strength a bit.

That being said, the draft position isn't necessarily a good thing to cite for that. Mistakes are made in the draft and people fall who shouldn't fall.
Mistakes are generally made in the NHL draft because most players are 3-4 years out from making the NHL. If a defenseman was clearly ready to step into the NHL, maybe a few teams would miss him, but he wouldn't fall as far as Sbisa did.

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09-30-2008, 09:43 PM
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sure it does. if eminger or vaananen have 1 way contracts and dont make the team then we lose them. im saying that there are guys who have to play on the flyers because they signed one way contracts. parent should make the team and jones will too. that leaves eminger, vaananen, kukkonen, and berard fighting for two starting spots and a 7th defenseman spot. one is out and if one has the ability to play for the phantoms without being put on waivers then two way contracts become relevant
that's wrong... it's not about two way it's about age and time served

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09-30-2008, 11:26 PM
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that's wrong... it's not about two way it's about age and time served
oh okay i understand. i misunderstood what 2way contracts were and what i was referring to is what players are eligible to play for the phantoms without going through waivers other than parent.

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oh okay i understand. i misunderstood what 2way contracts were and what i was referring to is what players are eligible to play for the phantoms without going through waivers other than parent.
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Flyers Sign Sbisa to Contract

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The Philadelphia Flyers announced that they have signed 6’2”, 190-pound defenseman Luca Sbisa to an entry-level contract, according to club General Manager Paul Holmgren.

"We consider Luca a good, young prospect for us," said Holmgren in making the announcement. "We are happy to have it done. He has continued to play well for us through training camp. The fact that he is still here (in training camp) shows that we think very highly of him, and at the end of the day, we will do what we feel is right for the organization and what we feel is right for the development of this young player.”

“It is a great feeling," said Sbisa. "I have been working for this moment since I started playing hockey. I came here and told myself to do my best, have fun and see what happens. I just want to gain as much experience as I can and see what happens.”

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10-01-2008, 04:04 PM
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So does this mean his not gonna go to Jrs anymore?

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So does this mean his not gonna go to Jrs anymore?
They will still send him to his junior team just like they did with Kevin Marshall, I will be very surprised if they keep him around even though he has played well so far.

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Interesting turn of events. . . . now to just wait for the other shoe to drop.

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They will still send him to his junior team just like they did with Kevin Marshall, I will be very surprised if they keep him around even though he has played well so far.
Probably a stupid question, but what's the point?

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10-01-2008, 04:13 PM
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Probably a stupid question, but what's the point?
He can play nine games with the Flyers without losing one year of his rookie contract and can be sent to Lethbridge afterwards.

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He can play nine games with the Flyers without losing one year of his rookie contract and can be sent to Lethbridge afterwards.
Cool. Think he'll start the season?

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10-01-2008, 04:23 PM
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Cool. Think he'll start the season?
It's the only reason why you would sign him now when you have 2 years to do so.

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10-01-2008, 05:49 PM
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Cool. Think he'll start the season?
I think he might. Jones and Eminger are battling minor injuries and this may also give them more time to decide if they're keeping Berard or Kukkonen.

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It's the only reason why you would sign him now when you have 2 years to do so.
It's not the only reason. The Flyers, at least under Holmgren, have been signing prospects very early as a reward for good play and a show of good faith for the future. I see this more as a reward for Sbisa's good pre-season. Whether he gets the 9 game look is still yet to be seen.

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It's the only reason why you would sign him now when you have 2 years to do so.
Assuming he got some sort of signing bonus (which the Flyers usually give on these contracts), it also knocks down the cap hit a bit if he goes back to juniors and the contract gets pushed back a year (or two).

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If eh played great in those 9 games, could he steal a spot??? IDK, but that would be interesting.

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What happened to the 50 contract limit though?

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I think it also sends a bit of a message...we have a ton of defenders in our camp right now battling for spots, and is Sbisa is playing well -- better than some of the other guys -- then it shows its time to shape up or ship out because this guy is turning heads and might take a so-called "guaranteed" spot. Of course, I'm sure its for reward, getting a guy signed early, etc -- but it may have a ripple effect on our D situation.

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