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10-01-2008, 02:52 PM
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Well since it's rumoured that that the Bruins are looking for a puck moving D-man. The only true one we have that would fit there needs is Markov.

*cringes from typing that*
Yeah that won't happen. I hope.

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10-01-2008, 02:54 PM
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I know youz guys are just making fun of the way Bruins fans talk on their board..

but let's not become bruins fans!
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, so man up AymanD. (Is there a more misguided pseudo-macho yet oddly homo-erotic term than “man up”)


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Don't be surprised if hes sent to Phoenix, or Hell if somehow Tampa or NYR make enough salary cap room magically a deal can be struck. But Phoenix or Nashville wouldn't surprise me. Nashville is bleeding out from the last Radulov wound, so they will be crap for Forwards, except maybe Arnott. Savard for a Defender (they are loaded with them) isn't too far from a possible block buster. Also Phoenix managed to get Olli in that steal trade, I think Savard would help cultivate their youngsters, and create a massive threat. (Olli, Hanzal, Turris, Mueller, Boedker, Tikhonov, Savard) that looks like a pretty scary line to play against. Maybe not as scary this year, but in the next 2-3 years, definitely.

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Those are the ones who I think are in the running.
Tampa, NYR and Phoenix don't need another center. I don't get your point.

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The kid had 55 assists at 19 years old. He will have 60-70 assists this year. Maybe even 80.


Backstrom WILL be better maybe in 2-3 years.

But right now, Savard wins it easilly !! Pure HF bias here...


Oooohhhh a young 21 years old prospect >>>>> an Established NHL Star


Marc Savard stats in the last 3 seasons:

2005-06 ATL 82 28 69 97
2006-07 BOS 82 22 74 96
2007-08 BOS 74 15 63 78

Come back when Backstrom will equal that !!
Ohh and Backstrom plays with pure snipers like Ovechkin and Semin.
Savard played with Marco Sturm, Chuck Kobasew or PJ Axelsson.



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10-01-2008, 02:58 PM
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Florida makes the most sense to me.

They just lost their #1 center this summer, and Savard can easily replace him.

There's contractual issues regarding Jay-Bo, and it looks like he's unlikely to re-sign. There's your puck-moving d-man...

The only snag would be if Savard is willing to waive his NTC to go to Florida.

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Why the hell would they trade the perfect guy that can make the 4 million man produce.....Doesn't make any chance, though that's the Bruins we're talking about...

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Florida makes the most sense to me.

They just lost their #1 center this summer, and Savard can easily replace him.

There's contractual issues regarding Jay-Bo, and it looks like he's unlikely to re-sign. There's your puck-moving d-man...

The only snag would be if Savard is willing to waive his NTC to go to Florida.
Their is no way Savard waives his NTC to go to Florida.
If he does, he has some serious issues.

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^^^^ , yes very true... especially phoenix...Mueller(sp?) , Turris and Jokinen say Hi.

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Their is no way Savard waives his NTC to go to Florida.
If he does, he has some serious issues.
Chara-J.Bo wow that's the scariest top 2 in the NHL right there.


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Their is no way Savard waives his NTC to go to Florida.
If he does, he has some serious issues.
Well, it's not like he's used to playing in the playoffs.

Maybe he likes the short seasons.

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10-01-2008, 03:01 PM
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Backstrom WILL be better maybe in 2-3 years.

But right now, Savard wins it easilly !! Pure HF bias here...


Oooohhhh a young 21 years old prospect >>>>> an Established NHL Star


Marc Savard stats in the last 3 seasons:

2005-06 ATL 82 28 69 97
2006-07 BOS 82 22 74 96
2007-08 BOS 74 15 63 78

Come back when Backstrom will equal that !!
Ohh and Backstrom plays with pure snipers like Ovechkin and Semin.
Savard played with Marco Sturm, Chuck Kobasew or PJ Axelsson.

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Washington wouldn't send Backstrom for Savard. The differnce between what we'd project for them this year wouldn't negate the overall game and potential of Backstrom. I'd bet a sheep that they wouldn't make that deal. Boston wouldn't even ask.

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Florida makes the most sense to me.

They just lost their #1 center this summer, and Savard can easily replace him.

There's contractual issues regarding Jay-Bo, and it looks like he's unlikely to re-sign. There's your puck-moving d-man...

The only snag would be if Savard is willing to waive his NTC to go to Florida.
I'd be very disapointed in Martin if he gave up on J-Bo for Savard, even if Savard is productive as he obviously is. I don't think it makes them better. You could be right but I'd be a little bit pissed if I was a Panthers fan.

Of course I already would be so....


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Washington wouldn't send Backstrom for Savard. The differnce between what we'd project for them this year wouldn't negate the overall game and potential of Backstrom. I'd bet a sheep that they wouldn't make that deal. Boston wouldn't even ask.
That was not the point of my answer !!

Waffledave said Backstrom was better, I said he was wrong !!

Who talked about trade values ?!



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In spite of his great offensive upsides, I wouldn't touch Savard. He doesn't know what his own zone looks like and there have been several reports over the years about his attitude.

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That was not the point of my answer !!

Waffledave said Backstrom was better, I said he was wrong !!

Who talked about trade values ?!


Err... uhh... we're discussing their trade values in this thread. The word "trade" is in the title of the thread.. and very post is discussing to whom and for what Savart might be traded


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Err... uhh... we're discussing their trade values in this thread. The word "trade" is in the title of the thread.. and very post is discussing to whom and for what Savart might be traded


Don't act like if you didn't understand, you are more intelligent than that... (I hope)



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That was not the point of my answer !!

Waffledave said Backstrom was better, I said he was wrong !!

Who talked about trade values ?!


As your post was on th etop of the page, I was mistakenly under the impression that you felt Savard/Backstrom was a possibly. Obviously, you were not suggesting that it was.

I deeply apologize for misunderstanding the intent of your post. Please, do not shake your head that agressively as it can be dangerous. I sincerely regret any inconvenience that my lack of knowledge may have caused.

In purely hockey terms, I think it is very possible that when you consdier their entire games, Backstrom may be a better player this year, but that is subject to opinion.

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I'd be very disapointed in Martin if he gave up on J-Bo for Savard, even if Savard is productive as he obviously is. I don't think it makes them better. You could be right but I'd be a little bit pissed if I was a Panthers fan.

Of course I already would be so....
The problem is I think Martin is pretty much handcuffed here.

I'm no fan of Savard, I don't think he's the type of player you, well you know, win things with. But if it's between losing Jay for nothing or getting a 90-point center...

That being said, if the Bruins must make the deal now, it probably won't happen. Florida would be wise to wait until the trade deadline and milk the situation for all it's worth.

Who knows though? Who'd have thought Thornton could be had for so little while under contract or that Forsberg would garner so much as a rental? I'm historically horrible at predicting player value in a trade.

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Err... uhh... we're discussing their trade values in this thread. The word "trade" is in the title of the thread.. and very post is discussing to whom and for what Savart might be traded

Pffffttt context is so overrated.


I think there should be head stuck in the sand smilie.

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I'd be very disapointed in Martin if he gave up on J-Bo for Savard, even if Savard is productive as he obviously is. I don't think it makes them better. You could be right but I'd be a little bit pissed if I was a Panthers fan.

Of course I already would be so....
I think it depends on what the Panthers organization thinks their chances of re-signing J-Bo next year are. I have serious doubts that he'll want to re-sign with them, so I'm thinking they'll have to trade him if they don't want to lose him for nothing.

They are also pretty loaded at D, and although J-Bo is a top notch player, they need offence and Marc Savard would provide that.

My question would then be, "Would Martin be able to get more than Savard in return for a UFA-bound J-Bo?" I'm not so sure.

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I'd be very disapointed in Martin if he gave up on J-Bo for Savard, even if Savard is productive as he obviously is. I don't think it makes them better. You could be right but I'd be a little bit pissed if I was a Panthers fan.

Of course I already would be so....
And that's not counting the main factor here, and that is if Savard would agree to wave his NMC to go to... Florida?

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Don't act like if you didn't understand, you are more intelligent than that... (I hope)


1- I'm definitely not that intelligent..

2- Splitting hairs to prove a point is what I do day in day out at work.. so on HF I let loose and try to understand meaning rather than semantic arguments.

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As your post was on th etop of the page, I was mistakenly under the impression that you felt Savard/Backstrom was a possibly. Obviously, you were not suggesting that it was.

I deeply apologize for misunderstanding the intent of your post. Please, do not shake your head that agressively as it can be dangerous. I sincerely regret any inconvenience that my lack of knowledge may have caused.

In purely hockey terms, I think it is very possible that when you consdier their entire games, Backstrom may be a better player this year, but that is subject to opinion.
Sorry then... I accept you're apologies I just hate it when people put words in my mouth, I can't help it.

Sorry again



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In spite of his great offensive upsides, I wouldn't touch Savard. He doesn't know what his own zone looks like and there have been several reports over the years about his attitude.
During Ribeiro's first year in Dallas, late in theyear, he got benched, and Tippet said something about not needing 'soft offense'. That struck me because som eteams won cups with players that I thought would become useless, like Ray Whitney or Cory Stillman, who would kind of be in that category.

Ribeiro, to his credit changed his game and played stronger on the puck, and didn't hide on the permiter. Until last year, I thought Savard was a soft offense guy, a guy that I didn't really believe in. He's better than I thought he was but this talk surprises me, he's a perfect fit in Boston. They have a few wingers who need a guy like him, Ryder being one of them.

If Savard's price tag is too high at 5, is giving Ryder 4 a competent move ?

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During Ribeiro's first year in Dallas, late in theyear, he got benched, and Tippet said something about not needing 'soft offense'. That struck me because som eteams won cups with players that I thought would become useless, like Ray Whitney or Cory Stillman, who would kind of be in that category.

Ribeiro, to his credit changed his game and played stronger on the puck, and didn't hide on the permiter. Until last year, I thought Savard was a soft offense guy, a guy that I didn't really believe in. He's better than I thought he was but this talk surprises me, he's a perfect fit in Boston. They have a few wingers who need a guy like him, Ryder being one of them.

If Savard's price tag is too high at 5, is giving Ryder 4 a competent move ?
From the Boston Herald article, it seems like the reason for Savard being on the trade market would be due to cap issues... and Ryder's $4 million are definitely contributors to those issues.

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1- I'm definitely not that intelligent..

2- Splitting hairs to prove a point is what I do day in day out at work.. so on HF I let loose and try to understand meaning rather than semantic arguments.
Don't worry, I got your back, no one's getting away with calling you intelligent on my watch. You can count on me buddy.

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