To further your point guy, a great work ethic can take you very very far. Look at Michael Ryder and he didnt have anywhere near the talent Chipchura has at the same age. Chipchura is said to have great character and is willing to work to improve his game. If he turns out to be as good as Ryder i will be very happy, but you know what, i think he might even turn out to be more valuable to our team down the road.
right on .. anyway it's good to have a guy with a great work ethic , grits , and alot of leadership in a team. We have so much skilled prospect that we don't need another guy liked that. Winning championship is not just with highly skilled player.
To further your point guy, a great work ethic can take you very very far. Look at Michael Ryder and he didnt have anywhere near the talent Chipchura has at the same age. Chipchura is said to have great character and is willing to work to improve his game. If he turns out to be as good as Ryder i will be very happy, but you know what, i think he might even turn out to be more valuable to our team down the road.
Michael Ryder scored 34 goals in his draft year. Chipchura had just 15. What exactly makes you think Chipchura has more talent than Ryder?
Also, I'll state categorically that Ryder will never score as many points in the NHL as he did last year. You saw Michael Ryder's career year.
Wyman's scoring total's at Blake in his final year were similar to Chris Higgin's at Avon Old Farms. He is going to Dartmouth, but two of his teammates Rob Page and Will Engasser will attend Yale. If Wyman can produce Higgins/Jessiman numbers in the ECAC next year as a freshman, then they have something.
Also, I'll state categorically that Ryder will never score as many points in the NHL as he did last year. You saw Michael Ryder's career year.
it's your opinion , state whatever you want , it's really not important. I can make 1000 statement if I wanted in regard of players , but a statement is not a fact so that's why your statement means pratically nothing ... State of mind opinion = don't take the statement seriously.
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Michael Ryder scored 34 goals in his draft year. Chipchura had just 15. What exactly makes you think Chipchura has more talent than Ryder?
Also, I'll state categorically that Ryder will never score as many points in the NHL as he did last year. You saw Michael Ryder's career year.
Chipchura scored 15 goals, but he was injuried. I have no clue how bad was his injury and how it affected its play, but neither do you. Let's say that offencively, he could, «could» be a wild card. Don't forget he was ranked a top prospect before his injury.
Also, what makes you think that Ryder won't score as many goals as he scored in his breakout year? The way I see it : he shoots a lot, and gets some garbage goals as well. But, most of his goals are scored at the faceoff circle, which isn't a hard spot to get to (compared to the crease). Ryder got a good shot and shoots a lot, that makes me think that he will continue to score many goals. What makes you think he won't? I don't really agree with your statement.
Michael Ryder scored 34 goals in his draft year. Chipchura had just 15. What exactly makes you think Chipchura has more talent than Ryder?
Also, I'll state categorically that Ryder will never score as many points in the NHL as he did last year. You saw Michael Ryder's career year.
Grrrrrrr.... That was not Ryder's career year.. He is the type of player that does not quite and wants to be better then he already is. He has proven year in and year out that he is an improving player, right from the ECHL to be the leading scorer for rookies in the NHL. You mark my word's you haven't seen the last of Michael Ryder's best!
With Ryder's shot and quick release, I don't think this will be his only 25-goal year. The only knock on him was his skating, and he's improved on that.
I like this pick he has size,apparently a good goal scorer and speed I find it really hard to judge players stats when there playing high school hockey, but i'm really interested to see how he does next year in the NCAA. Timmins compared him to Mark Parrish.
I love this pick as well and I really think he may end up being a steal at that spot. Timmins said one of our scouts coached him and they saw him many times, they even went to his home to interview him. Sounds like they did their homework on him.
:lol Hilarant! À la fin sa devient ridicule quand même, en plus il me semble que ses posts ont un air d'arrogance mélanger a un désir d'intelligence.... Bof, bon, moi jarrete, parler comme ca de quelqu'un, je préfere pas surtout quand il peut pas se défendre...
Tiens ça commence à redevenir intéressant ce forum. Ne manque plus que le retour de Moumni_Bachir pour k'le fun r'prenne dans' baraque.
Y'en a c'est pas des cours d'intelligence qu'ils devraient suivre, c'est Initiation à l'Intelligence étape 1 qui leur serait plus approprié. lol :lol :lol
Tiens ça commence à redevenir intéressant ce forum. Ne manque plus que le retour de Moumni_Bachir pour k'le fun r'prenne dans' baraque.
Y'en a c'est pas des cours d'intelligence qu'ils devraient suivre, c'est Initiation à l'Intelligence étape 1 qui leur serait plus approprié. lol :lol :lol
If you're going to talk about someone, especially in that way, you should at least do so in a language he/she can understand. That would give him/her a chance to respond. Otherwise, you look like you're just too chicken to say whatever it is you want to say to his/her face.
Si vous voulez parler de quelqu'un de cette façon-là, vous pourriez au moins vous exprimer dans une langue que cette personne comprend. Ça lui donnerait au moins une chance de répondre. Autrement, vous avez juste l'air d'être trop pissou pour lui dire en pleine face.
I love this pick as well and I really think he may end up being a steal at that spot. Timmins said one of our scouts coached him and they saw him many times, they even went to his home to interview him. Sounds like they did their homework on him.
Marc, thanks for bringing this back on topic!!
I really like this pick as well. This is a big kid who can skate, has great leadership skills (captain of both hockey and lacrosse teams), was the team's MVP, and can put up reasonable numbers. Granted, those stats are quite skewed as it is USHS, but we will be able to guage much better when he attends Dartmouth this fall and starts to play NCAA level hockey.
Also, the Great One watched his team go way off the charts by picking Blake Wheeler from Breck (the HS team that beat Wyman's team in the finals) with the fifth pick overall, so there is recognition that some of these top kids from the top HS hockey programs (note that Blake School had three skaters in the final CSB top 86 rankings...pretty good for one US high school) are quality players. These are kids that are all likely to be playing NCAA or CHL hockey next year, where they will all get noticed.
I think it is great that the Habs' scouting organization has an inside track into some of these school programs, as that is an edge over other teams. It is still too early to tell how this young man turns out, but after all every draft pick is a crap shoot to some extent (Ovechkins and Malkins of the world excepted of course). Decent size, good skating, good skills, leadership qualities are all good characteristics that make for a good prospect. The rest will come with time.
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[Also, I'll state categorically that Ryder will never score as many points in the NHL as he did last year. You saw Michael Ryder's career year.[/QUOTE]
You could be right & yet he could have many years where he is more valuable to the team than he was this year. Points are not always the true measure of a hockey player.
Crois-tu qu'un tel attardé prendrait son temps à apprendre le français? La seule chose à laquelle il semble ouvert est les statistiques...
:lol :lol OSTI QUE T"AS RAISON .Ce gars la regarde juste aux stats comme t'as dis pour lui je suis sure qui dit ke le meilleur prospect du canadiens est Corey LOcke juste a cause qui'il a des bonnes stats dans la ligue d'Ontario il se voit pas aller il commence a vraiment me tapper sur les naires puis je suis sur que je suis pas le seul.
Grrrrrrr.... That was not Ryder's career year.. He is the type of player that does not quite and wants to be better then he already is. He has proven year in and year out that he is an improving player, right from the ECHL to be the leading scorer for rookies in the NHL. You mark my word's you haven't seen the last of Michael Ryder's best!
AGREE !! I noticed that one of the weakness of Micheal Ryder is not the consistency this guy will never stop trying to do everything to go in front of the net and take a good shot and that was not Ryder career year man ! I think he can be a 30 and plus goalscorer with the shot he has it's hard to don't score often.
I guess you can't expect too much at #18 in a year where there isn't thought to be a lot of depth. Still, when the scouts start talking about a guy being "a safe all purpose player who doesn't do anything outstanding" when he is just 18, then you don't have much to look forward to. At best you end up with a Jason Ward or Turner Stevenson type of player. At worst you end up with Scott Kelman or Matt Higgins.
Not quite. A little too simplistic. If you saw Kelman and Matt Higgins play as juniors, and I suppose you did, and compared them to Chipchura, there is realyy no comparison. Here's why:
Kelman: Very fast, decent hands, no finish, almost no intensity, afraid of traffic, no strength, the definition of a perimeter player. You could tell his game, which was mediocre in junior, would not translate into the pro game.
Higgins: One of the poorest skaters (as a forward) ever drafted in the first round, outside of Terry Ryan and Turner Stevenson. No physical game to speak of and he never developed any strength that would allow him to succeed in the pro game. Had Stevenson's lack of mobility without even the below average straight ahead speed. Yes, he scored 70 points in his draft year, on a terrible team where he got top minutes and huge power play time. Darryl Laplante led that team in scoring. This was also a few years ago when leading scorers in the WHL were getting huge numbers. Frank Banham scored 83 goals that year; Mark Deyell had 159 points. Compare that to 52 goals and 105 points this year.
Chipchura is an excellent all around player. His skating is a plus, unlike some scouting reports I have read. He got very little power play time and played a limited role in the early season as his coach eased him into a leadership role as a young player on a fairly veteran team. He then tore his groin mid year, which slowed him up literally and figuratively. He has great anticipation and hockey sense. He will not be a big scorer at the NHL level, maybe 45 points in a good year if he gets decent ice time. A more well rounded version of Scott Thornton (who also was not a big scorer in junior but eventually improved as a pro) with much better intangibles.
Point is, context is important. Stats are helpful, but not determinative. Extrapolating Kelman and Matt Higgins to Chipchura is really weak, IMO.
If you're going to talk about someone, especially in that way, you should at least do so in a language he/she can understand. That would give him/her a chance to respond. Otherwise, you look like you're just too chicken to say whatever it is you want to say to his/her face.
Si vous voulez parler de quelqu'un de cette façon-là, vous pourriez au moins vous exprimer dans une langue que cette personne comprend. Ça lui donnerait au moins une chance de répondre. Autrement, vous avez juste l'air d'être trop pissou pour lui dire en pleine face.
Try to keep your sense of humour my friend...
I post 98% of the time in english, I've haven't been posting in french here for months. This funny post was a continuation of other posts in french. Some times these french jokes can't translated in english, that wasn't too important anyway, just childish jokes. On internet we don't say thing in his/her face, it's just pixels/words that becomes words. A computer screen is still a cold medium for me. .. and why calling me a chicken? Many posters here choosed me as the Norris trophy of this board, lol.
Essaie de garder ton sens de l'humour l'ami...
Je poste en anglais dans 98% des cas, je n'ai pas posté en francais depuis des mois. Ce post était la continuation de d'autres posts commencés en francais. Certaines blagues ne peuvent pas bien se traduire en anglais, ce n'était pas de grande importance de toutes facons, juste des blagues enfantines. Sur le net on ne dit pas des choses en pleine face, c'est que des pixels qui forment des mots. Un écran d'ordi est encore un medium froid pour moi, ... et pourquoi me traiter de pissou? Beaucoup de posters m'ont désigné le trophé Norris de ce board, lol.
.Ce gars la regarde juste aux stats comme t'as dis pour lui je suis sure qui dit ke le meilleur prospect du canadiens est Corey LOcke juste a cause qui'il a des bonnes stats dans la ligue d'Ontario il se voit pas aller il commence a vraiment me tapper sur les naires puis je suis sur que je suis pas le seul.
