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10-06-2008, 01:49 PM
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why didn't we just claim Ouellet when he was on waivers????
Because then we'd have to waive him again to send him down to the Moose...Obviously Ouellet is for Manitoba

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You can attribute a lot of that to the system John Torts implemented last year. He had EVERY defender pinch and join the rush on most every play. OB still has some offensive upside. But not near as much as a puck moving defenseman.
Conversely, O'Brien still put up 14 points in 3/4s of a season in Anaheim playing with Joe DiPenta and a much more conservative team, which is as good of a pace as Krajicek has ever put up in his career. O'Brien also only had 1 PP point, while Krajicek's point totals were inflated by having much more opportunity on the PP (almost half his points there).

I think Krajicek has the ability to produce more points, but he hasn't done it at the NHL level yet and it remains to be seen whether he does.

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If you guys can somehow get OB to stay physical every game and not make bone headed mistakes and get burnt by fast skaters, than this will be a great deal for you guys. If not, you will grow to loath him just like Tampa fans.
I agree with that.

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Lukas doesn't have Gonchar's point shot.

I always thought of Meszaros and that type of dman, shifty and mobile, not a very good first pass but has the skills to setup and qb a pp and can move it up well.
Meszaros is also 6'2, 220 lbs and strong physically. Krajicek doesn't have his size, strength, or physicality.

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A non Canuck or Tampa fan here...O'Brien doesn't even have the foot speed for the East...I think the Bolts got the better end of this deal...And Oullett? Why?
Fail. The east is the faster and more offensive conference, not the west. This is an unsound argument.

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10-06-2008, 01:51 PM
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How much was Krajicek being paid 1.5?
How much is Obrien being paid?

What about Davison? is this guy going to be playing? and nycholat?


edit: Krajicek has 8 career goals? thought he had more

Ouellet is a 20 goal scorer from what I see. Given a chance to play on the second line could he get 30?

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How much was Krajicek being paid 1.5?
How much is Obrien being paid?

What about Davison? is this guy going to be playing? and nycholat?
according to nhl numbers O Brien makes 1.025 with a cap hit of 950K, Krajicek only makes 1.1, not 1.5.

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I wonder if Oulette is thought of as a bit of a back up plan in case one of the top 6 gets injured or fails miserably.

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It seems like most of you have fell in love with OB from his days playing with Anaheim. Well I hope you guys get the Anaheim OB and not the Tampa OB because you guys will be extremely disappointed.

And don't compare OB to Bieksa. Not even close.

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I guess O'Brien is our answer to Nathan McIver.

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I wonder if Oulette is thought of as a bit of a back up plan in case one of the top 6 gets injured or fails miserably.
doubtful.. Oulette gets picked on recall waivers easily.

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o brien - 950000 rfa next year
kraijcek - 1.1 mil rfa next year
oullet - 1.25 mil ufa next year

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I wonder if Oulette is thought of as a bit of a back up plan in case one of the top 6 gets injured or fails miserably.
I doubt Oullet gets a call up this year as he is subject to recall waivers.

More likely, he will push the likes of Pettinger and Pyatt for a roster spot next year. Meanwhile, he learns the Canucks system playing under Scott Arniel in Manitoba.


Edited: Just notice that he is a UFA next summer. So I guess he has to make it this year. If he ends up playing with Krog and Grabner, he will put up decent numbers in the AHL.


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I can't help but think Ouellet might be a better alternative to Pyatt on the Demitra/Raymond line. Better shot. He's a bit slower, but he did lead the Lightning in +/- last year so he can't be awful defensively.

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I can't help but think Ouellet might be a better alternative to Pyatt on the Demitra/Raymond line. Better shot. He's a bit slower, but he did lead the Lightning in +/- last year so he can't be awful defensively.
Unless he's improved drastically recently, he's pretty awful defensively.

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I can't help but think Ouellet might be a better alternative to Pyatt on the Demitra/Raymond line. Better shot. He's a bit slower, but he did lead the Lightning in +/- last year so he can't be awful defensively.
Ouellet only replaces Pyatt if Pyatt gets hurt.

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Suprised Aquilini is allowing Gillis to have three one-way contracts on the Moose that accumulates to 2.65 million out of his own pocket.

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Unless he's improved drastically recently, he's pretty awful defensively.
Really? That's odd. I dunno how he managed to lead the worst team in the league in +/- then. Even though it's a relatively weird stat that shouldn't be possible if he's that bad.

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I personally don't mind this trade at all. O'Brien has the ability to match Krajicek's offensive output, although his offensive ceiling isn't as high as Krajicek's one may wonder if Lukas will ever reach it. O'Brien's also a very physical defenseman and gives us an edge that only Bieksa and Davison bring. Our team just got a lot tougher.

Considering Tampa gave up a 1st round pick to get O'Brien, this is a very good deal for us. Ouellet could also play with the Sedins as a fill-in if needed, although he's likely on the Moose for the entire season and is a UFA after.

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Canucks can't afford to lose assets to bolster the Moose roster. Shouldn't even be a consideration. Simek has some potential, I have a hard time understanding that we'd have to give Lukas PLUS a prospect for O'Brien and Oulette (who has negative value).
I disagree. It should be a consideration. Having a successful farm team can only benefit the organization. If the Moose win the Calder Cup this season, the experience it will give guys like Schneider, Grabner, Gendur, LaBrie, etc. will be absolutely invaluable.

And Simek's value likely wasn't high anyway. He was a late round pick that hasn't shown much professionally and was one of the worst players in training camp this season. Obviously the organization felt that any future impact would be a ways off and that he wouldn't contribute much to Manitoba this season, and that a swap for Ouelete would improve the Moose and be better for our other prospects.


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Suprised Aquilini is allowing Gillis to have three one-way contracts on the Moose that accumulates to 2.65 million out of his own pocket.
Krog's salary will mostly be paid by the Moose - so he won't cost Aquilini much.

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Suprised Aquilini is allowing Gillis to have three one-way contracts on the Moose that accumulates to 2.65 million out of his own pocket.
Considering that we're not spending to the cap and likely won't unless Sundin suddenly has a change of mind, it's probably not as big of a deal for him. He's still paying less in salaries than he did last year.

Now if we were spending to the cap on the main roster, the one-way contracts on the Moose would likely be harder to swallow.

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good move! got tougher and a little more canadian

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doubtful.. Oulette gets picked on recall waivers easily.
Not sure about 'easily'...I would think if a team had a need for him they would have picked him up when he went through waivers. $500k savings on waivers isn't a huge cap difference.

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With the addition of O'Brien and Davison already on the roster, I wonder if Gillis has a deal involving Bieksa lined up?

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I can't help but think Ouellet might be a better alternative to Pyatt on the Demitra/Raymond line. Better shot. He's a bit slower, but he did lead the Lightning in +/- last year so he can't be awful defensively.
Maybe Oulette was just really good at hopping on the bench every time the play went back into TB's zone.

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Another thing to consider re: O'Brien (and I think it's been touched on) is that he garnered a 1st round pick for his play in Anaheim. He'll be playing a very similar role with the Canucks versus the type of system they play in Tampa. Plus he's back in the Western Conference. Assuming he returns to the form that valued him at a 1st round pick I think we got a really good addition to the defense here.

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