Think Bieksa minus 15-20 points and slightly better defensively.
Reading the trades board, it sounds like he's pretty terrible defensively. Either way he doesn't sound very impressive. I still have a feeling we got hosed.
Last edited by Shareefruck: 10-07-2008 at 04:14 PM.
I haven't seen enough of O'Brien yet, but I find it hard to believe he is nastier than Kevin. No one looks as pissed off as Bieksa when someone bothers him.
And if you like that 'pissed off' look Bieksa gives when someone bothers him, you will like SOB alot too. He is that nasty, if not more.
The Pauser nailed it pretty good when he said to think Bieksa minus the points.
And if you like that 'pissed off' look Bieksa gives when someone bothers him, you will like SOB alot too. He is that nasty, if not more.
The Pauser nailed it pretty good when he said to think Bieksa minus the points.
But I saw Kevin first, so I like him better!
/cry
I'm just stoked we have a tough team again. Finally, actually team toughness, not "Team toughness" that involves Jeff Cowan getting beaten up or calling up McIver to get into a fight with someone.
If someone hits Demitra our team might actually do something about it!
Reading the trades board, it sounds like he's pretty terrible defensively.
He was great with the Ducks and when he first went to Tampa, but the whole team was bad defensively last season and O'Brien was one of the few bright spots, I'd say. Sure he's no Willie Mitchell and he'll make mistakes, but that's why he won't play against the other team's best.
Teams scored a lot less when he was on the ice than when Krajicek was on the ice despite the fact he played against tougher competition on a much worse defensive team in a more offensive conference.
Reading the trades board, it sounds like he's pretty terrible defensively. Either way he doesn't sound very impressive. I still have a feeling we got hosed.
As you already admitted, you haven't seen him play. How can you say we got hosed?
I said I have a feeling. There's an obviously difference between how you guys are describing him and how everyone else is describing him. The general consensus it sounds like they're basically at an equal level, but considering that I think Krajicek's alot better/has potential to be alot better than what most of you guys think, I'm predicting/having a bad feeling that (but hoping we don't) we got hosed.
Reading the trades board, it sounds like he's pretty terrible defensively. Either way he doesn't sound very impressive. I still have a feeling we got hosed.
I dunno what to think about that.
Obviously they weren't impressed with his season last year ...... but he was playing 21-22 minutes/game (obviously not sheltered minutes) on a last-place team and was only a -2. So how bad could he have been, really? Every other defender playing regularly for that team had a much worse +/- ... Boyle was a -29 in 37 games.
A lot of fans a *really* bad at evaluating the play of defenders. Only see 'big' errors - a player getting around the defender wide on the rush, or puck-handling mishaps - and don't notice little things, like how many battles the player wins in the trenches or generally solid positioning.
Obviously they weren't impressed with his season last year ...... but he was playing 21-22 minutes/game (obviously not sheltered minutes) on a last-place team and was only a -2. So how bad could he have been, really? Every other defender playing regularly for that team had a much worse +/- ... Boyle was a -29 in 37 games.
To be fair, Boyle got 'stuck' playing with Lecavalier and St. Louis too. They score a lot, but they get absolutely lit up when they are on the ice too - teams scored almost 4 goals/game against them. To compare, teams score over a goal less per game when they are off the ice than when they are on.
I think the games this weekend showed that - Gomez's line was really able to take advantage of them when they were head to head.
I go to bed last night some what happy with this trade and then when I wake up and log on to HF I see people make Krajieck out to be some potential 50 point offensive god. I'm sorry but I'll be amazed if Krajieck ever breaks 25 points. Krajieck has been a professional hockey player for six years now but has yet to break 25 points in a professional league (including the AHL) He's a great skater and solid in his own end but with him what you see is what you get and I don't have a lot of hope for his offensive potential.
For the most part, until the last few years he's been an AHLer, he had a very solid year for the Ducks, I think his plus minus was pretty good, up there at least with the league leaders. Doesn't really have much offensive skills, but excels at the basics of playing defense. A fairly decent skater as well.
Is he anything special? No. But is he an adequate #6 dman? Yes.
I agree. Losing krajicek is no big deal. I mean, was anyone talking about him in the summer or cared about him. He was a 6th/7th d on this team, and now that he's off it, he's going to light it up? Come on.
I agree. Losing krajicek is no big deal. I mean, was anyone talking about him in the summer or cared about him. He was a 6th/7th d on this team, and now that he's off it, he's going to light it up? Come on.
It's how most people on these boards function. Mind boggling.
Supposedly Krajicek got beat out by Davison for the #6 spot.
One more cool note... O'Brien had more fights than Hordichuk last season. He has 14 fights last season while Hordichuk has 12.
I think this is just as much about adding another tough guy to the lineup to replace Cowan (which I just did the math and even though our team is much tougher this season, going by last years numbers. This team with it's current roster actually averages to 3 less fights a season and that number would be 17 less without O'Brien) Sure we have Davison but he statistically doesn't fight much. O'Brien is second heavyweight behind Hordichuk.
I really am loving this move now that I'm diving into some statistics.
Last edited by Balls Mahoney: 10-07-2008 at 05:01 PM.
For the most part, until the last few years he's been an AHLer, he had a very solid year for the Ducks, I think his plus minus was pretty good, up there at least with the league leaders. Doesn't really have much offensive skills, but excels at the basics of playing defense. A fairly decent skater as well.
Is he anything special? No. But is he an adequate #6 dman? Yes.
You know about 1000% more about Kent Huskins than 90% of the league's fans. It's not inconceivable that people don't know any of the Ducks defensemen beyond Niedermayer, Pronger and Beauchemin.
How have some of you not seen him play? He played on Anaheim.
I don't really get this either. O'Brien was pretty noticeable when he played with the Ducks too (for me at least). I guess it's like MS mentioned in his post where a lot of people only notice defenders when they're scoring or making big errors.
One more cool note... O'Brien had more fights than Hordichuk last season. He has 14 fights last season while Hordichuk has 12.
I think this is just as much about adding another tough guy to the lineup to replace Cowan (which I just did the math and even though our team is much tougher this season, going by last years numbers. This team with it's current roster actually averages to 3 less fights a season and that number would be 17 less without O'Brien) Sure we have Davison but he statistically doesn't fight much. O'Brien is second heavyweight behind Hordichuk.
I really am loving this move now that I'm diving into some statistics.
14 fights were from 06-07; he had 6 fights last year. Either way, I love his feistiness. We've got more than a few guys who can hold other teams accountable now...I like it!
I love how we have three potential heavy-weight fighters on the roster with Davison, O'Brien, and Hordichuk. Plus we'll be carrying Bieksa, Rypien, and Brown as middle-weights. Awesome.
Anyone else read the article in the G&M about Luc Bourdon and this trade? Where did that come from? Both AV and Gillis quoted as saying this acquisition had to do with replacing Bourdon. Seemed kind of tacky and unnecessary.
Either way, I love his feistiness. We've got more than a few guys who can hold other teams accountable now...I like it!
