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06-28-2004, 02:12 PM
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Long Term Log Jams

When you look at the line-up, and the prospects ready to make the jump in the next 2 yrs, its obvious, that KLO and the boys have to decide what direction they are heading, and what guys they want to keep around.

LW-C-RW
Smyth-Nedved-Hemsky
Torres-York-Dvorak
Moreau-Reasoner-Pisani
Isbister-Horcoff-Laraque
Rita-Stoll-Salmeleinen
Mikhov-Ninnimaki/Pouliet/Schremp (19)

Brewer-Smith
Staois-Ulanov
Semenov-Bergeron
Cross-Lynch
Woywitka-Greene (10)

Now, with a 23 man roster -2 goalies, that means we've got room for 21 skaters, and Ive got 29 listed above. Meaning 8 of the names listed above will not be a part of the Oilers long term plans.

Now there are some easy choices. Cross, Ulanov and one of Staois or Smith will likely be gone in 2 yrs. that brings it down to 26 (discounting the fact that we dont get any players back for them.)

Then you gotta drop 5 forwards. we can assume that atleast one of our Centre prospects will flop, for the sake of argument, I will say Ninnimakki, I will also predict that Rita leaves to Finland, and Mikhov never makes it over here. then drop say Salmo and Nedved and we are down to 21 skaters.

2005-2006 Roster
Smyth-York-Dvorak
Torres-Schremp-Hemsky
Moreau-Reasoner-Pisani
Isbister-Horcoff-Laraque
Pouliet-Stoll

Brewer-Semenov
Bergeron-Greene
Lynch-Woywitka
Staios

Now that looks like a line-up Id love to watch, but take into account that I didnt count any FA signings or consider that wed likely get players back in trades, which would only complicate matters.

Either way you slice it, the Organization is getting to a point where they've gotta start cleaning house.

Thoughts?

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there is nothing wrong with having guys like Pouliot, Greene, niinimaki, etc spend some time in the AHL.

I wouldn't start cleaning house until those guys (and players like him), start dictating through their play that they can be in the NHL. What you don't want to do is start dealing some guys off when the younger players still need more time.

Also, as we've seen the past couple of years, injuries can be huge... so the depth certainly isn't hurting the team.

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I don't see the logjams happening for a couple of years yet (much like yourself) but yes - they are there and they will require 'fixing'.

One interesting point - notice how the defense is on a natural curve? As someone gets ready someone else retires/gets too old. Not the case with the forwards though - some serious roster tweaking is needed in that case.

I am hoping Isbister goes before Rita or Mikhnov.



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as dawgbone(new avatar and all) said, we don't want to jump the gun on moving some of these guys. Because we don't know forsure who all will and won't work out or if we'll have another Comrie situation or whatnot. But I will say this. Lowe has set the team up in one heckuva place to be REALLY deep, and in turn be able to trade for REALLY good talent. On that note your second line of Torres-Schremp-Hemsky is something I drool over! The potential there is absolute amazing!

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I know, that can possibly be one of the most exciting lines in hockey. Or replace Torres with say Mikhov, and we've got ourselves quite the 2nd line.

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I think I like Torres better on that line...

I've never seen Mikhnov play, but with Hemmer and Schremp (if he can manage to get there), Torres would be the perfect garbage man on that line.

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ya, Torres is a more likely candidate, BUT considering Mikhov comes over, I think his overall offensive game has a higher ceiling then Torres. Either one would look perfect though IMO.

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I know, that can possibly be one of the most exciting lines in hockey. Or replace Torres with say Mikhov, and we've got ourselves quite the 2nd line.
If these guys meet potential - they wouldn't be the second line, the Smyth-York-Dvorak line would be! Schremp and Hemsky both have point/game potential, and with Raffi that'd be SUCH a great line (although, perhaps iffy defensively. Raffi was great defensively for his age and will still improve though I suppose, so actually it maybe ok.)

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I know, that can possibly be one of the most exciting lines in hockey. Or replace Torres with say Mikhov, and we've got ourselves quite the 2nd line.

Or Reddox. That kid could be an insane steal. He has Comrie v2.0 written all over him

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With Scott Ferguson unlikely to return to the team when it next hits the ice you could make an argument that the AHL has gone out of the Oilers. And for the record I loved Ferguson as the #7 but trying to make him play as the #5 was definitely unkind of Lowe and MacT. It is possible to argue that Pisani still emanates a degree of 'AHL-ness' about him but I would argue that has more to do with how he got here than how he plays. But the days of Swanson, Pittis etc. appear to be behind us since Kevin Lowe took over and I think that that fact is important to remember when complaints about the job he has done are being made. We had some expensive medium-high end players here when he took over but the price was a lot of 'filler' imo. The team now has high end young talent on the front end and older 'filler' on defence with young prospects that look to be ready in the near future. I would say that beginning with next season we will be looking at a Kevin Lowe team (minus goalie - I think Salo's self-destruction caught him by surprise) for the first time since he took over from Sather. Not bad in 4 years. Thoughts?

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According to what both Mactavish and Lowe said last year--that all players they draft will spend atlea three years on the farm. They compared what they wanted to do with prospectsto what Montreal did in the 70's.

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According to what both Mactavish and Lowe said last year--that all players they draft will spend atlea three years on the farm. They compared what they wanted to do with prospectsto what Montreal did in the 70's.
Where the hell did you read this?

Most prospects can only play on the farm for 3 years because of waiver rules to begin with, and guys like Hemsky, Torres, Stoll, Lynch and Wyowitka are surely not following that line of thinking.

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well the defense i think will take care of itself, with the older guys retiring or just being pushed out by the younger guys coming up.... the forwards are a little more dicey, because most of them are young as well

at center (assuming we sign nedved) we might have a problem pretty soon (even next year really) with york, reasoner, horcoff and stoll all deserving to have a roster postion..... so with nedved that leaves somebody on the outside.... it wont be stoll as macT is in love with him, the same could be said about reasoner and horcoff though, as all three play a pretty good 2-way game..... the best bet would be for york to move back to the wing, although this creates its own problems, such as making an already congested LW even more tight..... it would also mean that reasoner, horcoff or stoll would have to produce points in a 2nd line center role, something that im not very confident in any of them doing.... this leaves the option for a trade, i would think the 2 most obvious choices would be reasoner and horcoff (with a slight edge going to reasoner because macT is a big horcoff fan)

in the above center argument i did not include schremp, pouliet and ninnimaki because im pretty sure that at least 2 of them will not pan out and the other wont be pushing for a 2nd line role for at least 2-3 years

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I don't see the logjams happening for a couple of years yet (much like yourself) but yes - they are there and they will require 'fixing'.

One interesting point - notice how the defense is on a natural curve? As someone gets ready someone else retires/gets too old. Not the case with the forwards though - some serious roster tweaking is needed in that case.

I am hoping Isbister goes before Rita or Mikhnov.



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actually the forward curve was doing fine before we dealt comrie. He represented the next wave and he turned into a putz. If hemsky progresses next season and Torres continues hid rapid progession we will have the next wave. We probably miss most of next season so our young players in the minors will be more battle ready come 2005/2006.

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