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06-28-2004, 07:26 AM
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observation on what the oilers did

the oilers either hit a home run in this draft of just ****ed things up for awhile. It was not a deep draft--we all know that. The two guys the oilers got in the first round have lots of talent--but both guys need to check their heads a bit. Neither player will be in the nhl for a few years--plain and simple. The forward they got is a project who thinks he is better then he is and he dedication to the game is in question----Jason Bonsignore jr is how one scout called him--we all remember him--right. and the goalie, hhe is big--but not agile---in a bad draft year--the oilers gambled and there will be no middle ground for the draft

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the oilers either hit a home run in this draft of just ****ed things up for awhile. It was not a deep draft--we all know that. The two guys the oilers got in the first round have lots of talent--but both guys need to check their heads a bit. Neither player will be in the nhl for a few years--plain and simple. The forward they got is a project who thinks he is better then he is and he dedication to the game is in question----Jason Bonsignore jr is how one scout called him--we all remember him--right. and the goalie, hhe is big--but not agile---in a bad draft year--the oilers gambled and there will be no middle ground for the draft
Doesn't every GM essentially gamble with their picks when it is a weak draft year? I personally don't think Lowe made too much of a gamble on picking Dubnyk and I personally feel he has just as good of a shot at making the NHL (possibly better due to his great attitude) as Schwarz does. How exactly does Dubnyk need to "check his head"? He was the scholastic player of the year and looks like a great kid..

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Doesn't every GM essentially gamble with their picks when it is a weak draft year? I personally don't think Lowe made too much of a gamble on picking Dubnyk and I personally feel he has just as good of a shot at making the NHL (possibly better due to his great attitude) as Schwarz does. How exactly does Dubnyk need to "check his head"? He was the scholastic player of the year and looks like a great kid..
In addition, I don't think Lowe screwed things up for a while with his choices. At that point in the draft, you're most likely looking at third liners anyways... I think we can do with foregoing another decent NHLer in order to try to grab some real talent. Our talent pool is deep enough that we can afford to swing and miss a couple of times; especially in this draft.

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the oilers either hit a home run in this draft of just ****ed things up for awhile. It was not a deep draft--we all know that. The two guys the oilers got in the first round have lots of talent--but both guys need to check their heads a bit. Neither player will be in the nhl for a few years--plain and simple. The forward they got is a project who thinks he is better then he is and he dedication to the game is in question----Jason Bonsignore jr is how one scout called him--we all remember him--right. and the goalie, hhe is big--but not agile---in a bad draft year--the oilers gambled and there will be no middle ground for the draft
Which scout called him that?

Personally I think Schremp showed more intensity and desire in his postdraft interview than Bonsignore has cumulatively shown in the last 10 years at any level I've seen him play at.

Not disputing that he may have an overinflated opinion of himself, but he at least seems to enjoy the profession he's chosen.

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Ofcoarse they gambled, everyone did.

I like most people am happy with the first round selections, but I figured Shremp would go 14 and Dubs at 25, no worries though.

What annoyed me was in the later rounds when guys like Wes O'neill, Enver Lisin, Lyamin, Jakub Sindel etc were still available, and passed on.

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the oilers either hit a home run in this draft of just ****ed things up for awhile. It was not a deep draft--we all know that. The two guys the oilers got in the first round have lots of talent--but both guys need to check their heads a bit. Neither player will be in the nhl for a few years--plain and simple. The forward they got is a project who thinks he is better then he is and he dedication to the game is in question----Jason Bonsignore jr is how one scout called him--we all remember him--right. and the goalie, hhe is big--but not agile---in a bad draft year--the oilers gambled and there will be no middle ground for the draft
oh well i guess we should listen to you then, oh holy one. We probably shouldn't hold our breath since ESPN says we got 2 busts in the first round. You have way better credentials than the Oiler staff who played with the players in the Oiler dynasty. Of course those guys have no idea what talent looks like but you DO. jumpthe shark it seems to me that you've actually seen Dubs and Schremp play. Check that i think you've probably met Robbie face to face and made an assumption that he's a self centered a-hole. I mean we all know the Oiler staff met him and thought he was a preety good kid. We should all assume you met him also? I have a really good doctor's number. It isn't too much trouble i can PM you his phone number. You two can chat so you can get your head checked.

What a dumbass. like seriously. Lowe said that Dubnyk is a student of the game is extremely dedicated to playing hockey. He studies players and opponents just like Patrick Roy who had a horrible carrer and should have played in the AHL right jumptheshark?

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As a Flames fan, it kinda surprised me that the Oilers picked the goalie with their 1st pick, as the oilers just signed deslaurier.. was this a surprise move for most oiler fans as well?? although you can never have too many good goalies i suppose..

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As a Flames fan, it kinda surprised me that the Oilers picked the goalie with their 1st pick, as the oilers just signed deslaurier.. was this a surprise move for most oiler fans as well?? although you can never have too many good goalies i suppose..
After Deslauriers the Oilers depth in goaltending was very weak, so we expected a goalie to be drafted somewhere between the #25 or 2nd round. It was kind of surprising, but we got our goalie.

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oh well i guess we should listen to you then, oh holy one. We probably shouldn't hold our breath since ESPN says we got 2 busts in the first round. You have way better credentials than the Oiler staff who played with the players in the Oiler dynasty. Of course those guys have no idea what talent looks like but you DO. jumpthe shark it seems to me that you've actually seen Dubs and Schremp play. Check that i think you've probably met Robbie face to face and made an assumption that he's a self centered a-hole. I mean we all know the Oiler staff met him and thought he was a preety good kid. We should all assume you met him also? I have a really good doctor's number. It isn't too much trouble i can PM you his phone number. You two can chat so you can get your head checked.

What a dumbass. like seriously. Lowe said that Dubnyk is a student of the game is extremely dedicated to playing hockey. He studies players and opponents just like Patrick Roy who had a horrible carrer and should have played in the AHL right jumptheshark?
He made a very valid point Outcast, this was a boom or bust draft for the Oil. Who are you to criticize anybody after you lost all credibility with your I have a source Weiss is an Oiler B.S. Jumptheshark has made an observation that is open for all to debate. That's what this board is for Outcast, debating and discussion. Instead you use if for flaming, insulting and flat out lying.

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thanks Toddy i lost all my credibility. Now what you do is take that little mouse of yours, click on my name and put me on your ignore list before you lose your credibility for reading posts of an uneducated dumb donkey like myself.. BTW I made the better point.

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He made a very valid point Outcast, this was a boom or bust draft for the Oil. Who are you to criticize anybody after you lost all credibility with your I have a source Weiss is an Oiler B.S. Jumptheshark has made an observation that is open for all to debate. That's what this board is for Outcast, debating and discussion. Instead you use if for flaming, insulting and flat out lying.
BTW it's outKast not outcast. Go on billboard.com or turn on your T.V. and watch MTV. Total ignorance to not know one of the biggest band in the world with song like Hey Ya, I like the way you move and Roses.

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thanks Toddy i lost all my credibility. Now what you do is take that little mouse of yours, click on my name and put me on your ignore list before you lose your credibility for reading posts of an uneducated dumb donkey like myself.. BTW I made the better point.
Done & done, thanks for the advice!

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Now i better not see you responding to any of my lieing/flaming/stupid posts ever again.

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Now i better not see you responding to any of my lieing/flaming/stupid posts ever again.
That is one amazing way of handeling that situation! You know, as hard as I try to be annoyed by you, you've lately been quite commical and enjoyable to read!

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First of all

I am an oiler fan#

secondly---My observation was based upon four differnt publications calling into both players statements made and actions takin by said players--Dubynk was sited in two publications for his unwillingness to lisen to some people and Shrempt on quiting teams and demanding a trade, BTw--The Bonsignore comparison comes from the fact going into the draft of his year--Bonsignore was saying the same things that Shrempt did.

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First of all

I am an oiler fan#

secondly---My observation was based upon four differnt publications calling into both players statements made and actions takin by said players--Dubynk was sited in two publications for his unwillingness to lisen to some people and Shrempt on quiting teams and demanding a trade, BTw--The Bonsignore comparison comes from the fact going into the draft of his year--Bonsignore was saying the same things that Shrempt did.
Dubnyk's unwillingness to listen to who?

And what exactly was Bonsignore saying?

Pretty generalized statements there don't you think?

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Unfortunately, it isn't online, but in the Journal the day after the draft, an Oilers executive, Prendergast, I think, said specifically that Bonsignore and Schremp are very different cases, because Schremp loves to play hockey, and they found out too late that Bonsignore didn't really care for the game.

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im also a little worried about schremp not being "all that he could be", which is similar to bosignore in that regard..... but at least the oilers have a good stockpile of players now, which is quite different than the oilers of '94..... lowe and company could afford to take a gamble on a player with schremps ability, and if it doesnt work the oilers have enough other prospects that they will be able to handle it.... all that being said, schremps attitude, the recent comrie fiasco and the way macT coaches and handles young skilled players all make me think that this is a draft pick that we might just regret in a couple years

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Like yourself outKast, the band will be obsolete and done in no time....the band has cashed in at a time in history where popular music has never been weaker.

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Like yourself outKast, the band will be obsolete and done in no time....the band has cashed in at a time in history where popular music has never been weaker.
Why is everyone so beligerant towards outkast (the band and the poster)? Not that he needs it, but I usually like his posts.


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Ok kids I think you all should just play nice now the fighting is getting out of hand.

As for the draftees Robbie has an attitude, but he loves hockey and works hard. He power skates with one of the oiler's scouts daughter's in the summer and is over there all the time Davis I think, so I would think they owuld have a good idea of what his attitude may be.

As for our new found goalie he played well on a bad team was the WHL goalie of the year I belive and the scolastic player of the year as well. Now according to what Brownlee is saying the kid has charts of every player's tentancies that he faces during a game. The kid doesn't miss a thing and agility doesn't seem to be an issue.

Just leave it be I'm sure it will work out either way and when training camp does start whenever that may be It will be fun to watch

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the oilers either hit a home run in this draft of just ****ed things up for awhile. It was not a deep draft--we all know that. The two guys the oilers got in the first round have lots of talent--but both guys need to check their heads a bit. Neither player will be in the nhl for a few years--plain and simple. The forward they got is a project who thinks he is better then he is and he dedication to the game is in question----Jason Bonsignore jr is how one scout called him--we all remember him--right. and the goalie, hhe is big--but not agile---in a bad draft year--the oilers gambled and there will be no middle ground for the draft
Every draft weak or solid is a crap shoot where u are picking 18 year old kids to make the nhl and play with the adults, if u look at the teams list of players taken in this years draft maybe 40 might make the nhl and play a few games thats it. i for 1 think the draft is to young to take kids they should be taken at 19 rather then 17/18, lot more maturity and u have an idea how these kids will pan out. plus the first round selection of a kid gets in thir head and they say wow i'm really that good and they quit workin, seen it happen so many times and ruins so many players, as well the later bloomers get missed.

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Dubnyk's selection certainly isn't sexy, and I'm prepared to beleive that Schwarz is a better prospect. However, the only tournament I saw Scwharz play in he looked positively unimpressive, and that was the biggest tournament of his draft year. So they took Dubnyk, c'est la vie. I think a better argument would be taking any goalie at 14, but I digress.

The Schremp pick, though, I just can't question. You know what, if they HADN'T picked him, say he went earlier, this board would have exploded.

That, to me, is the best argument for Schremp's tremendous skill. Despite the fact that they took a G at 14, and the wrong one at that, and avoided talented Russians like the plague, most of us can't take the smile off our faces.

It isn't popular in Oilerland to be giddy, but a great big smile is in order imo.

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