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10-04-2008, 07:38 AM
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Wow, some of you are kind of bad people


...what i was thinking...

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10-04-2008, 07:38 AM
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Are we trying to win games? Or are worried about hurting a players feelings?

This is the NHL. Not a "lets not hurt someones feelings league"

We play to win, tough luck Prucha. Renney is putting together what he thinks is the best lineup.

Can't wait till he is traded already so the Prucha Lovers can get off him already. Even HOSSA brought more then he did. Both scored equally....Hossa at least was great in the defensive zone.
Come on now, Hossa scored equally with Prucha?
05-06
Hossa - 64 games, 10 goals, 0.16 G/G
Prucha - 68 games, 30 goals, 0.44 G/G

06-07
Hossa - 64 games, 10 goals, 0.16 G/G
Prucha - 79 games, 22 goals, 0.28 G/G

07-08
Hossa - 50 games (14 with Pheonix and 36 with NYR), 1 goal, 0.02 G/G
Prucha - 62 games, 7 goals, 0.11 G/G

Overall
Hossa - 178 games, 21 goals, 0.12 G/G
Prucha - 209 games, 59 goals, 0.28 G/G

Not even close. C'mon man, of all arguments, Hossa?

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10-04-2008, 07:41 AM
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Its pretty obvious Renney reads hfboards and changed his mind because of this thread. Anyone wants to start a new one getting him to play Fritsche instead of Voros?
Haha, even worse is this:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042008...ner_132034.htm
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10-04-2008, 07:43 AM
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Based on preseason play, i would have put prucha in the lineup over Dawes or Shoey, I think you need some guys with size, so to put prucha in for Voros or Rismisler would be a mistake.

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10-04-2008, 07:57 AM
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interesting article. It's almost like he watched the preseason and knows a bit about hockey. You can disagree with his opinions (criticisms), but they seemed to actually be thought-out and backed-up for a change.

Was hoping to wake up today to read that Prucha had been traded, but it obviously didn't happen.

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10-04-2008, 08:02 AM
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On the eve of the first game of the new season and STILL crying the blues about Jagr, Avery and Shanny while taking shots at new players? Gee, that article REALLY got me pumped up for the game.

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10-04-2008, 08:05 AM
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prublue...

stats don't tell the story in preseason. You need to watch the games to make a decision. Goals from goal scorers may be down, but that doesn't mean they've lost their touch, and part of that is getting back the timing of your shot, which you really can't do in the offseason because there aren't defensemen trying to block it. If the player is a somewhat known quantity, yet still fighting for a job, you look to see if there are improvements in areas in which you told him need improving when the season last ended. You look for the player to work hard and improve from each game (in terms of gelling with teammates, etc.). The scoreboard needs to be secondary. I always say this because stats can be very deceiving, especially in preseason. If Prucha scored 4 goals in the preseason, a couple in the early goings, but didn't backcheck, couldn't get anything going, wasn't skating hard and was still getting knocked off the puck and couldn't keep it in the zone, I don't think I'd say he had a decent camp.

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10-04-2008, 08:06 AM
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Fly..

Hossa was great in the defensive zone? He played against fourth liners - not top, second or third liners. He wasn't challenged so I'm not sure how one can tell.

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10-04-2008, 08:30 AM
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Comparing Hossa to Prucha is silly. Hossa is nothing more than an NHL bubble player. An at-best 4th liner.

What this underscores is what has always been fact. No matter what Prucha does or shows, Renney has very little, if any, use for the kid. This goes back to his 30 goal season, when Renney decided that a one-armed, utterly ineffective Martin Rucinsky was a better choice than Prucha. Or when his PP time was cut, despite the fact that the entire team forgot how to shoot the puck.

Handing a spot to the Sather-favorite Sjostrom is pretty bad. I haveno idea of why Rissmiller needs to be on the team. And, if we are to call a spade a spade, how has Dawes had a better camp? The "earning" of ice time in Rangerland has always been debateable.

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10-04-2008, 08:30 AM
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Are you kidding me? He's been "outplayed" by mother****ing who? Korpedo earned his spot because he creates offense and can finish, Prucha, meanwhile, hasn't done jack **** in two seasons... HE. ISN'T. WORTH. ANYTHING.
And here comes the anti-Prucha cabal with a typically disingenuous and misleading response. NOBODY has been comparing Prucha to Korpedo. NOBODY. They don't even play the same position at the moment. Dawes. Sjostrom. Rissmiller. These are the names we are concerned with, but you can't bash Prucha by comparing him to these three who did crap all during preseason.

Prucha didn't do jack LAST season while being benched for a huge chunk of it and completely removed from the power play. The season before, he was a 20 goal scorer while playing a limited role. I don't know what you call that, but in hockey-land, 20 goal scorers aren't "jack." Prucha has had ONE bad season. In both of his other seasons, he outperformed anything Dawes, Sjostrom or Rissmiller have EVER done in the NHL. Dawes has yet to show the ability to do anything without padding his stats against a woefully inept Devils team.

But you go ahead and keep on your irrational holy crusade. Be sure to go to the town hall debate and ask Obama and McCain what they would do to get rid of Prucha if elected.

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10-04-2008, 08:31 AM
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Prucha played OK during the preseason but at least he put some effort in it. Sjostrom was not impressive, Dawes was invisible as if he thought he already had a spot locked up and Voros was average at best. This does not make any sense to not have Prucha in the lineup today. If he didn't do well today, sit him tomorrow because a lot of this has to do with decency. I dont think putting in Prucha today over Sjostrom would have costed us the game. If he cant play, trade the guy already and let him prove himself on another team instead of letting him sit in the press box. I'm not ashamed to say I had just ordered a Prucha jersey and I would wear it proudly watching a Ranger game. The way they are treating this guy, I hope they do trade him because one day I know he will come back and sting us...

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10-04-2008, 08:44 AM
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stats don't tell the story in preseason. You need to watch the games to make a decision. Goals from goal scorers may be down, but that doesn't mean they've lost their touch, and part of that is getting back the timing of your shot, which you really can't do in the offseason because there aren't defensemen trying to block it. If the player is a somewhat known quantity, yet still fighting for a job, you look to see if there are improvements in areas in which you told him need improving when the season last ended. You look for the player to work hard and improve from each game (in terms of gelling with teammates, etc.). The scoreboard needs to be secondary. I always say this because stats can be very deceiving, especially in preseason. If Prucha scored 4 goals in the preseason, a couple in the early goings, but didn't backcheck, couldn't get anything going, wasn't skating hard and was still getting knocked off the puck and couldn't keep it in the zone, I don't think I'd say he had a decent camp.
I did watch the games. Dawes did absolutely zero, Sjostrom had one decent moment but didn't show much and Rissmiller was awful too. Only three lower line players that I can say outperformed Prucha are Fritsche, Callahan, and Korpikoski. Of those three, only Fritsche I believe would be competing with Prucha since Callahan usually plays the opposite wing.


Also the whole thing that Dawes is better than Prucha on defense is nonsense. They are both about the same.

In fact here are some stats from last season.
Dawes = 22 takeaways vs. 16 giveways in 61 games. +6
Prucha = 31 takeaways vs. 21 giveways in 62 games. +10

Dawes = a negative in 11 games
Prucha = a negative in 11 games

They both have about the same amount of hits
Dawes = 86
Prucha = 81

Blocked shots
Dawes = 26
Prucha = 17

In every defensive kind of category they are pretty much even. So please stop this Dawes is better defensively, because anyone who watches Prucha knows he backchecks hard every time.


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10-04-2008, 08:47 AM
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Looks like Prucha is playing today...

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/blog/

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Prucha is playing. Everybody can stop now.

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10-04-2008, 09:07 AM
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Hossa was great in the defensive zone? He played against fourth liners - not top, second or third liners. He wasn't challenged so I'm not sure how one can tell.
Hossa played against the other teams top players when he was on the PK...


Comparing Prucha with Hossa was a terrible comparison though looking back.

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10-04-2008, 11:46 AM
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Nice of Renney to have Prucha on the starting line.

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10-04-2008, 03:16 PM
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Nice of Renney to have Prucha on the starting line.
Call me crazy but I like the Prucha,Korpikoski,Callahan line..........they give alot of speed and energy............and I think they will pop some goals on the 3rd line

lets give Prucha a few games and see how it goes.....today was solid

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10-04-2008, 03:29 PM
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Call me crazy but I like the Prucha,Korpikoski,Callahan line..........they give alot of speed and energy............and I think they will pop some goals on the 3rd line

lets give Prucha a few games and see how it goes.....today was solid
That line played well and had some good chances. I like the look they give.

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10-04-2008, 03:50 PM
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That line played well and had some good chances. I like the look they give.
I do see why Renney goes with it.....Betts is a great 4th line C/PK man........Voros and Orr add size which no other line has

but they are playing TB and I don't think they need size I think Fritsche provides waaay more offense and he is defensively responsible

oh well i am sure Fritsche and Sjostrom will get their chance

I think we all agree that the Rissmiller signings was a waste and he should be moved and Potter should be up and rotating in on the D

meh it's a long yr

Also would not be shocked to see Prucha traded as soon as they hit the States...........it's inevitable even though that line does look good right now

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I do see why Renney goes with it.....Betts is a great 4th line C/PK man........Voros and Orr add size which no other line has

but they are playing TB and I don't think they need size I think Fritsche provides waaay more offense and he is defensively responsible

oh well i am sure Fritsche and Sjostrom will get their chance

I think we all agree that the Rissmiller signings was a waste and he should be moved and Potter should be up and rotating in on the D

meh it's a long yr

Also would not be shocked to see Prucha traded as soon as they hit the States...........it's inevitable even though that line does look good right now
Orr has surrpised me. Looks like he actually learned how to skate in the offseason.

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10-04-2008, 05:11 PM
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Come on now, Hossa scored equally with Prucha?
05-06
Hossa - 64 games, 10 goals, 0.16 G/G
Prucha - 68 games, 30 goals, 0.44 G/G

06-07
Hossa - 64 games, 10 goals, 0.16 G/G
Prucha - 79 games, 22 goals, 0.28 G/G

07-08
Hossa - 50 games (14 with Pheonix and 36 with NYR), 1 goal, 0.02 G/G
Prucha - 62 games, 7 goals, 0.11 G/G

Overall
Hossa - 178 games, 21 goals, 0.12 G/G
Prucha - 209 games, 59 goals, 0.28 G/G

Not even close. C'mon man, of all arguments, Hossa?
Hossa did play on the 3rd/4th line most of the time and PK while Prucha played on the 2nd/3rd line with PP time... I think Hossa was a better player in the playoffs for us and we could have used him instead of Sjostrom.

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10-10-2008, 01:46 PM
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What are fans looking for in a trade of Prucha?

Any of these Leafs of intest?

Stajan
White
Colaiacovo
Van Ryn
the entire Marles (excluding Pogge)?
2nd. round pick in 2011 which if probably the next 2nd. the Leafs have?
Vorobiev (won't come on the roster this year)

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What are fans looking for in a trade of Prucha?

Any of these Leafs of intest?

Stajan
White
Colaiacovo
Van Ryn
the entire Marles (excluding Pogge)?
2nd. round pick in 2011 which if probably the next 2nd. the Leafs have?Vorobiev (won't come on the roster this year)
those would be the ones i would want......

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What are fans looking for in a trade of Prucha?

Any of these Leafs of intest?

Stajan
White
Colaiacovo
Van Ryn
the entire Marles (excluding Pogge)?
2nd. round pick in 2011 which if probably the next 2nd. the Leafs have?
Vorobiev (won't come on the roster this year)
Prucha for White(7th Dman) and 4th rounder

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I'm thinking Stajan + White for Prucha

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