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10-11-2008, 09:21 AM
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Sorry, I'm not very well trained in estimating player values, but how about Kaberle for Knuble, Nödl and a 2009 3rd round pick?

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10-11-2008, 09:23 AM
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Sorry, I'm not very well trained in estimating player values
No kidding

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10-11-2008, 09:30 AM
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Sorry, I'm not very well trained in estimating player values, but how about Kaberle for Knuble, Nödl and a 2009 3rd round pick?
Not even remotely close

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10-11-2008, 09:47 AM
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As a leafs fan i would do Giroux, Hartnell, and a 2nd for Kaberle. If they wanted too then they could swap lupul in for Hartnell and the second, and the leafs could throw in either Ponikarovsky or Van Ryn or a 3rd.

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10-11-2008, 09:52 AM
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I want no parts of Kaberle. He already said no to Philly once, thats not the kind of player I want on my team. He'd be a sour puss in the locker room because he was traded.
If I was a Flyers fan, I'd be more concerned he bolted on a team that he's been with his whole career. It wasn't because it was Philly that he stopped it, it was because it wasn't Toronto. That's a team player, and if he gives in, you won't have alligence issues at all.

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10-11-2008, 09:53 AM
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Sorry, I'm not very well trained in estimating player values, but how about Kaberle for Knuble, Nödl and a 2009 3rd round pick?
Counter: Poni and Blake for Richards + 2 1sts

Sorry, I don't mean to bash ya, you're just way off.

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10-11-2008, 10:13 AM
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Sorry, I'm not very well trained in estimating player values, but how about Kaberle for Knuble, Nödl and a 2009 3rd round pick?
You do realize that Knuble is 36 and UFA next year and Nodl and that 3rd round pick may never play in NHL.

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10-11-2008, 11:23 AM
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As a leafs fan i would do Giroux, Hartnell, and a 2nd for Kaberle. If they wanted too then they could swap lupul in for Hartnell and the second, and the leafs could throw in either Ponikarovsky or Van Ryn or a 3rd.

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I agree, a 2nd could be added to the Leafs side without making the deal unbalanced... I don't see Giroux on our 3rd line however...
switch him with Hartnell, I can see a Kulemin-Steen-Hartnell line causing lots of problems on the fore-check

we can't get Lupul instead of Hartnell because of the salary cap, and we certainly couldn't send over Poni or Van Ryn

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10-11-2008, 11:30 AM
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I agree, a 2nd could be added to the Leafs side without making the deal unbalanced... I don't see Giroux on our 3rd line however...
switch him with Hartnell, I can see a Kulemin-Steen-Hartnell line causing lots of problems on the fore-check

we can't get Lupul instead of Hartnell because of the salary cap, and we certainly couldn't send over Poni or Van Ryn
Giroux would probably look really good playing with Kulemin. I still don't like having to take Hartnell's contract, I think Toronto would need more incentive to do so.

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10-11-2008, 01:09 PM
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Giroux would probably look really good playing with Kulemin. I still don't like having to take Hartnell's contract, I think Toronto would need more incentive to do so.
its not like our team needs the cap space right now... and Hartnell is still pretty young at only 26... his contract will take him right through his prime, at which point it won't look as bad

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10-11-2008, 02:04 PM
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Ouch, not sure I like this deal.

I'd rather have Giroux + 1st.
Why? Lupul was a 7th overall pick, Hartnell was a 6th overall pick. The Flyer's pick will be 25th or higher. We aren't likely to get a better player with the pick.

I like Hartnell as a player, but I'd PREFER Lupul (who cares if they toss in a salary?). Either way, I like this deal and wouldn't mind watching a TOP 6 like this developing.

Steen - Antropov - Lupul
Kulemin - Tlusty - Giroux

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10-11-2008, 02:54 PM
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that's definitely going overboard, Blake is very fast and his idiotic shots at least create lots of chances on the rebounds... how do you think he got all those assists?

Put him on a line with a powerforward, have the powerforward sitting infront of the net, and you'll see a lot of dirrrrrttttyyyy goals
it's not an issue of his play it's an issue of his personality

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10-11-2008, 03:45 PM
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The deal should start off with Carter and a 1st for Kaberle. But I can see this deal expanding.

So how about:

Carter, Upshall, Hartnell and 1st

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Kaberle, Stajan, Ponikarovski and 4th
umm how bout no.
Keep Kaberle

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10-11-2008, 04:27 PM
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umm how bout no.
Keep Kaberle
what about the original proposal?

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10-11-2008, 04:39 PM
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it's not an issue of his play it's an issue of his personality
Although there's been a lot said about his personality in the past, apparently he has stepped up and wants to be a leader on the Leafs this year.

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10-11-2008, 04:45 PM
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Although there's been a lot said about his personality in the past, apparently he has stepped up and wants to be a leader on the Leafs this year.
I don't care what he says. True or not I don't have interest in a guy with that kind of history and that personality.

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10-11-2008, 04:51 PM
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Why? Lupul was a 7th overall pick, Hartnell was a 6th overall pick. The Flyer's pick will be 25th or higher. We aren't likely to get a better player with the pick.

I like Hartnell as a player, but I'd PREFER Lupul (who cares if they toss in a salary?). Either way, I like this deal and wouldn't mind watching a TOP 6 like this developing.

Steen - Antropov - Lupul
Kulemin - Tlusty - Giroux
I disagree with that logic, this is a very deep draft and neither Hartnell nor Lupul are living up to their top-10 draft position... that 1st round pick would definitely be worth more than either of them, through a combination of potential and liquidity

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10-11-2008, 05:03 PM
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Hartnell + Giroux + 1st for Kaberle + 3rd.

Works capwise I think.

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10-11-2008, 05:13 PM
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I disagree with that logic, this is a very deep draft and neither Hartnell nor Lupul are living up to their top-10 draft position... that 1st round pick would definitely be worth more than either of them, through a combination of potential and liquidity
overvaluing prospects, methinks. that 1st round pick could end up being a bust, regardless of how deep the draft is (hollweg, anyone?).

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Hartnell + Giroux + 1st for Kaberle + 3rd.

Works capwise I think.
Too much IMO

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Too much IMO
Toronto-Philly trades are tough to do because Philly is so close to the cap.

Hartnell seems to be the closest thing to a salary dump Philly has, but he's still a pretty valuable player.

On the flip side, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Toronto to have a player like Hartnell comprising a big chunk of the value coming back for Kaberle.

Grr..

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10-11-2008, 05:19 PM
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Hartnell + Giroux + 1st for Kaberle + 3rd.

Works capwise I think.
looks good

especially if we draft a guy like Vincour, Rajala, or Werek with that pick

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looks good

especially if we draft a guy like Vincour, Rajala, or Werek with that pick
Jimmy Bubnick.

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Toronto-Philly trades are tough to do because Philly is so close to the cap.

Hartnell seems to be the closest thing to a salary dump Philly has, but he's still a pretty valuable player.

On the flip side, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Toronto to have a player like Hartnell comprising a big chunk of the value coming back for Kaberle.

Grr..
He'll be a regular 25 goal scorer and he's not the majority of the return Giroux is a great prospect and I would say they probably have similar value.

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Jimmy Bubnick.
very true, missed the WHL guy, I feel kind of ashamed

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