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06-25-2004, 04:46 PM
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yep, sure is. I hardly ever read Csolak's article so I'm not surprised I missed it. I appreciate the link.
Maybe you ought to read his articles more often. There are plenty of GMs around the league thinking same way with Mr Pleau. Is it really worth keeping huge $60M payroll if someone else can make the Cup finals with little over half of that as Calgary and Tampa did this season and others teams have in recent memory. $60M is a lot of money if you're not getting much results going deeper playoffs rounds, might aswell slash salary have a few off years and get high picks, like Caps, Rangers and Hawks plan seems to be. Fans are not going to like it very much, but cant make an omelet without breaking eggs.

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06-25-2004, 04:49 PM
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True enough, Marksmen2. And, btw, St. Louis is not exactly alone in this situation. The Isles are saddled with big contracts that they can't unload, and are not even as good a team. Its not hard to forsee the Isles making the same kinds of moves to bring salary down.

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06-25-2004, 04:58 PM
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"Maybe you ought to read his articles more often."

Uhm, okay. I'll assume you read them religiously...

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If the Blues can keep Drake they are going to. That said, you are correct in that we do not NEED to move Demitra to reduce salary. MacInnis, Mellanby, Baron, Finley and Khavanov are all likely gone. Combined they make nearly 14 mil. On top of that we have the option to ship Savage back to Phoenix and we have some smaller contracts(Martins, Rheaume, Pellerin and Mayers) that will not be back. Furthermore, Pronger is reportedly going to take a paycut down to the 7 mil range. Right there is a 19 mil drop in payroll. If we move Demitra it is for fair market value, not a salary dump. His salary hurts his value but not the point that Garon is the best return we will get.
Are you taking into consideration that many of those players dumped have to be replaced. Blues will need atleast one defenceman and couple forwards to be able to field full team and thats a big dent in savings.

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"Maybe you ought to read his articles more often."

Uhm, okay. I'll assume you read them religiously...

C'mon, dude. Lets stop with this ***-for-tat.

Its hard for any of us to really have a handle on whats going on in the NHL right now.

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06-25-2004, 05:08 PM
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Are you taking into consideration that many of those players dumped have to be replaced. Blues will need atleast one defenceman and couple forwards to be able to field full team and thats a big dent in savings.

I have to agree with you. I honestly don't see how the Blues are going to get out of this summer without moving one of Demitra or Weight. Again, just my opinion and I am claiming no inside information.

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06-25-2004, 05:15 PM
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"Maybe you ought to read his articles more often."

Uhm, okay. I'll assume you read them religiously...
I dont, I'm Canadiens fan and Csolak isnt writing about my team very often. Sorry, maybe I was rubbing you off too much, just tried to be witty or something I guess...

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Are you taking into consideration that many of those players dumped have to be replaced. Blues will need atleast one defenceman and couple forwards to be able to field full team and thats a big dent in savings.

Actually, most of the palyers we are losing are depth players that will be replaced from within the system. Assuming that Weinrich resigns(even if he doesn't take a paycut) the Blues will have a D core that is 10 players deep(Pronger, Jackman, Backman, Weinrich, Salvador, Walker, Stuart, Brimmanis, Byrne and Wideman). Up front(assuming that we resign Drake and Sillinger) we will need 2 everyday wingers. We are looking at adding maybe 4 mil up front(we will not be going after high priced FA's, we will look at cheap FA's like Johansson, Ruchinsky and Arvedsson). That still leaves around 15 mil in saving coming off this years salary. Again, there is no urgent need to deal Demitra.

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06-25-2004, 05:19 PM
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Actually, most of the palyers we are losing are depth players that will be replaced from within the system. Assuming that Weinrich resigns(even if he doesn't take a paycut) the Blues will have a D core that is 10 players deep(Pronger, Jackman, Backman, Weinrich, Salvador, Walker, Stuart, Brimmanis, Byrne and Wideman). Up front(assuming that we resign Drake and Sillinger) we will need 2 everyday wingers. We are looking at adding maybe 4 mil up front(we will not be going after high priced FA's, we will look at cheap FA's like Johansson, Ruchinsky and Arvedsson). That still leaves around 15 mil in saving coming off this years salary. Again, there is no urgent need to deal Demitra.

Let's assume you are correct and the Blues are going to save 15 million with the decribed moves (and not add salary through moves like the signing of draft picks, etc). If Pleau's statement that he might move "more than 10 to 20 million" (see the link above) is true, that still leaves you with a signficant deficit. In fact, if you numbers are correct, and the Blues are looking to move in the range of 20 million, one of Weight or Demitra is almost certainly gone in a salary dump.

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06-25-2004, 10:27 PM
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Make it 1st in 2004 instead of 3rd and you've got a deal.
The Blues would not make that trade with a 3rd much less a first.

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No way in hell from the Habs point of view, not enough return for a top 5 goalie. Demitra is gonna be an UFA in one year so basicly it's Pronger and a 3rd round pick for Theodore, Ribeiro, Hainsey and Brisebois?

:lol :lol :lol

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06-26-2004, 02:38 AM
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Move Demitra, be ready for another mediocre season and a 1st round exit at best.

I actually hope he does get moved. Why? So the same guys who want him gone can eat crow when he comes and burns the Blues time and time again.

How ANYONE can justify moving Demitra BEFORE Weight is beyond me.

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06-26-2004, 03:34 AM
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What if montreal and st louis made this trade. would it work for both teams

to St Louis
Jose Theadore
Mike Riberio
Patrice Brisebois
Ron Hainsey

To Montreal
Chris Ponger
Pavel Demitra
3rd round pick in 2004 or 2005

Does it sound fair. St Louis shreads payroll and gets a great goalie and and useful d-man and two young players who could help them out for many years. Montreal woul;d get the Big D that they have been missing for so long, and they get a very offesive minded player. I know montreal takes on some playroll about 5 million but with the loss of quintel, juneau, perreault, dackell, & traverse they should be able to take it on and still get a vetren goalie to backup Garon.

Montreal would run because of the money they would hvae to pay both Pronger and Pavol---something like 16mill between the twoi of them

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06-26-2004, 04:56 AM
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How ANYONE can justify moving Demitra BEFORE Weight is beyond me.
If you put yourself into other teams position for a second its not that difficult.

Demitra is RFA, giving his potential new owner option to qualify him and keep talking for a longterm. His contract is little more appealing on itself and Blues wouldnt have to sponsor his next contract that much to get something decent back. Demitra is also few years younger - so he would fit better into rising young teams likely to make this kind of move. And he doesnt hit now-magical UFA age or 31 until november 2005.

If Notes traded Weight, they would have to eat more contract and would still get worse return, while losing a player from their roster.

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06-26-2004, 06:23 PM
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No way in hell from the Habs point of view, not enough return for a top 5 goalie. Demitra is gonna be an UFA in one year so basicly it's Pronger and a 3rd round pick for Theodore, Ribeiro, Hainsey and Brisebois?

:lol :lol :lol
i don't think hainsey, brisebois, or ribeiro can really be factored in to value. in a deal around pronger, it's hard to believe they'd hold much value at all

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Wait....I saw a trade proposal involving St. Louis. Let me read.....

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What if montreal and st louis made this trade. would it work for both teams

to St Louis
Jose Theadore
Mike Riberio
Patrice Brisebois
Ron Hainsey

To Montreal
Chris Ponger
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No. I quit reading at "Pronger" - the answer is "NO!"

BTW...offering Brisebois in a trade to us would get the same response as if we offered Khavanov to the Habs (or almost any other team, for that matter) - a quick, stern, pointed "NO".

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06-27-2004, 08:32 PM
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score tv is saying stlouis will not qualify demitra's contract making him a ufa, unless traded beforehand

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score tv is saying stlouis will not qualify demitra's contract making him a ufa, unless traded beforehand

So basically anything else is useless drivel, since no one will have to give up anything for him since he'll be a UFA.


So let's not waste our energy.

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