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Is the Stanley Cup the holy grail of hockey?

View Poll Results: Is the Gold Medal equal to or greater than the Stanley Cup?
The Cup is bigger 81 86.17%
The Medal is bigger 3 3.19%
They are equals 10 10.64%
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10-11-2008, 08:03 PM
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This is a silly poll. The answer is obvious.

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10-12-2008, 06:26 AM
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I would say that the Cup is as good as it gets because even European players, such as Sundin, play consistently for years at a high level in hopes of winning. So the comparison of more than a 10 year (82 NHL game season) compared to a 3 week tournament in which players are chosen relatively late shows the importance of the Cup compared to medals. As for medals being more important in Europe, yes it may be true but this is the NHL's fault for not having more of a hold on the tv viewing audience. I lived in Sweden and know some Swe/Fin hockey fans and they simply just do not know what they are missing in the NHL...they just like what they know and sometimes wonder why their players leave their league when it is supposedly very good. The players are leaving for better competition, and sometimes pay, as players are more informed of what awaits.

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10-12-2008, 01:44 PM
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Well thats all relative. You don't even get a chance to compete for the Olympics unless you are a truly elite player for your country. Most guys who have won cups would never qualify for an olympic roster.



World Juniors and Memorial Cup above the Olympics? What are you smoking? Mem Cup is a kids tournament, and World Juniors is the same thing as olympics, only with kids who are young enough or not good enough to be on NHL rosters yet.

Moreover, Canada is the only country that even remotely cares about the WJC's.
But at the same time, the truly elite Swiss, Belarussians and Germans (minus a small handful) will never ever crack or ever be considered for an NHL roster, so it goes both ways.

Believe me, I fully understand your POV and agree with parts, but there are also many lower level players competing in the Olympics too.

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10-12-2008, 04:30 PM
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But at the same time, the truly elite Swiss, Belarussians and Germans (minus a small handful) will never ever crack or ever be considered for an NHL roster, so it goes both ways.
Swiss, Belarussians or Germans have a better chance to crack a NHL roster than to win a Gold Medal at the Olympics as there are only five nations having a chance (some years you can count the US and Slovakia there too when they have a Golden Generation).


In Europe you have the system with the national leagues and then the nation tournaments in all sports. There are big rivalries between the nations and before all the Europeans entered the NHL it was the contest of the best players and the greatest achievement a player could compete for. As a fan when there was no internet and most Europeans played in their own countries, you didn´t get much information about the NHL and it seemed like just another national league, of course the best. If you had only a Canadian League with all Canadians here and the US their own with their players and the Europeans would still play in their countries a contest between the nations would become much more meaningful. So its a thing of history I think.

Other point for the Olympics is that it takes place only all four years and players often have only two or three times a chance to participate. That is what makes the World Cup in soccer such a famous event.

Problem of the Olympics is that most times the NHL players did not participate. If they had all times it had more history for NA and maybe it would be more important for the Canadian hockey fans too.

Times have changed, now all the best players in the world compete in the NHL and via internet and more and more TV you can follow them, national leagues in Europe became less and the Stanley Cup more important. But for Europeans especially Russians, Czech or Swedes the Olympics and even the World Cup still are very big.

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Stanley Cup
Memorial Cup
World Juniors
Olympics
World Cup
Spenglar Cup.
That list is ridiculous. Enough said bout Memorial and Juniors ahead of Olympics and WC, but the Spengler Cup is the biggest joke. It´s an invitational tournament and has virtually no relevance. All the national league titles and the European Cup are much more meaningful.

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10-12-2008, 04:39 PM
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you dont play 82 games, then play another possible 28, block shots with ur face, play with broken limbs, get stitched up on the bench, play unlimited periods of overtime ETC for an olypic gold, u dont get ur name engraved on an olypic gold and u dont have to settle for the silver medal..its not an acheivement.

the stanley cup is everything to hockey

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10-12-2008, 07:00 PM
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you dont play 82 games, then play another possible 28, block shots with ur face, play with broken limbs, get stitched up on the bench, play unlimited periods of overtime ETC for an olypic gold, u dont get ur name engraved on an olypic gold and u dont have to settle for the silver medal..its not an acheivement.

the stanley cup is everything to hockey
you dont get your name engraved? so what? you get put in the record books, you get a gold medal
silver medal? uh, so? in hockey you get conference titles to get to the finals
not an achievement? i'd like you to say winning a gold medal isnt an achievement to an olympian

ridiculous

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you dont play 82 games, then play another possible 28, block shots with ur face, play with broken limbs, get stitched up on the bench, play unlimited periods of overtime ETC for an olypic gold, u dont get ur name engraved on an olypic gold and u dont have to settle for the silver medal..its not an acheivement.

the stanley cup is everything to hockey
Well an Olympic medal entails that you be good enough to represent your country, which would make you a very good to elite player, which takes years to establish, and the Olympics is once every four years, so I think it's a big accomplishment...

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Cam Ward won the cup and then won the WC a year later and said the feeling was almost the exact same.. but the Cup was alot more tiring and hard to get, so I'd say the Cup.

He did say, however, he felt more pressure in the WC because your whole country is depending on you, not just a city.

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