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10-13-2008, 03:13 PM
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Thats a good point. Berard wouldn't have cost us a trade and we could have signed him to a cheap contract. Its not too late to still sign him and have him play with Alberts.
Berard costs a contract, which we either have 0 or 1 left of. The contract opening is probably of more value that the nothing prospect we gave up.

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10-13-2008, 03:20 PM
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sbisa moved up

"Luca Sbisa made such a favorable impression in his NHL debut Saturday that the 18-year-old has been promoted to the Flyers' second defensive pairing."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sport...uca_Sbisa.html

Eminger will play with kuks tonight, sbisa with coburn.

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10-13-2008, 03:26 PM
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I honestly don't think Sbisa should go back to junior after the 10 game trial. He'll fit perfectly as a 5 - 6 guy to start. He'll only be limited to about 16-17 minutes of ice time per game and he's not going to be asked to do too much. That's perfect for him. I'd rather Sbisa in that role than some tired old has been or never will be.

As for Andrew Alberts, I'm not sure what to think. If he's over his post concussion syndrome, he might just be a good guy to have on the third pairing. Big guy, solid skater, defensive defenseman. The good news though is that he can log a lot of ice time. The past two seasons, his TOI has been 19:40 and 20:37, so you know he can eat up valuable minutes. So, we've actually got four players on the team who are good for 20 minutes a game - Timonen, Coburn, Vaananen and Alberts. You know, I think Holmgren may have pulled a rabbit out of a hat with this deal.........

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10-13-2008, 03:30 PM
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Berard costs a contract, which we either have 0 or 1 left of. The contract opening is probably of more value that the nothing prospect we gave up.

You're right, not having that spot could be huge (if we even have one open now).

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10-13-2008, 03:33 PM
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I honestly don't think Sbisa should go back to junior after the 10 game trial. He'll fit perfectly as a 5 - 6 guy to start. He'll only be limited to about 16-17 minutes of ice time per game and he's not going to be asked to do too much. That's perfect for him. I'd rather Sbisa in that role than some tired old has been or never will be.

As for Andrew Alberts, I'm not sure what to think. If he's over his post concussion syndrome, he might just be a good guy to have on the third pairing. Big guy, solid skater, defensive defenseman. The good news though is that he can log a lot of ice time. The past two seasons, his TOI has been 19:40 and 20:37, so you know he can eat up valuable minutes. So, we've actually got four players on the team who are good for 20 minutes a game - Timonen, Coburn, Vaananen and Alberts. You know, I think Holmgren may have pulled a rabbit out of a hat with this deal.........
If we had Detroit's top two pairing I would be fine with Sbisa on the 3rd. However, we really dont have a 2nd pairing here. We have a top 2, and then a couple 3rd pairings.

We gave up essentially nothing for Alberts so it cant hurt in my opinion, only help

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10-13-2008, 03:37 PM
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Yeah, this makes me more surprised that we weren't willing to find a way to keep Berard. I liked what I saw from in the couple preseason games I saw him play, but as was already said...I guess the organization was not impressed.

However, while Berard's supposed deficiencies in his defensive play didn't stick out to me in the couple games I saw him play...I'm sure that they are there, and considering that the defensive play of some of our guys(namely Kukks and Eminger, Sbisa did have his struggles too, but I'd say he has handled himself surprisingly well for the most part) was my biggest concern in the Rangers game, I'm glad we are bringing in a dman who is considered more of a defensive guy than offensive.

Obviously, I'd love a strong two-way puckmover if we could find one, but that doesn't exactly seem to be where we're at now, does it?


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10-13-2008, 04:10 PM
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Yeah, this makes me more surprised that we weren't willing to find a way to keep Berard. I liked what I saw from in the couple preseason games I saw him play, but as was already said...I guess the organization was not impressed.

However, while Berard's supposed deficiencies in his defensive play didn't stick out to me in the couple games I saw him play...I'm sure that they are there, and considering that the defensive play of some of our guys(namely Kukks and Eminger, Sbisa did have his struggles too, but I'd say he has handled himself surprisingly well for the most part) was my biggest concern in the Rangers game, I'm glad we are bringing in a dman who is considered more of a defensive guy than offensive.

Obviously, I'd love a strong two-way puckmover if we could find one, but that doesn't exactly seem to be where we're at now, does it?

I think we'll make a move for a #3 type guy sometime between Parent returning and the trade deadline, unless Parent comes back 100% and is really awesome out there. We needed someone BAD until Randy Jones comes back, and we got a half-decent guy. This is what you do this time of year.

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10-13-2008, 05:14 PM
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I'm incredibly happy with this trade. I guess we can assume he won't be playing until tomorrow night, right?

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10-13-2008, 05:16 PM
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I'm incredibly happy with this trade. I guess we can assume he won't be playing until tomorrow night, right?
This is the latest I have seen.

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Andrew Alberts arrived late from Boston and is going to take warm-up. He may play tonight but it's not a guarantee.

"We don't have plans to put him in now, it might be a bit much to ask," Stevens said of Alberts. "HE doesn't have a lot of experience but he does have experience. He's a bit older. We played against him in the lockout year in the playoffs [versus the Phantoms]. He's a big guy with mobility and he gives us some size ... He helps the depth on our back end.

"If you look in the East, there's a lot of big teams here. Washington is a big team. Rangers have a big team. Montreal has some big, strong forwards. I think size and a guy with mobility like that can be a very valuable resource to have. I don't he will ever be an offensive guy, but he can get the puck and make that first pass and be a good defender."

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10-13-2008, 05:21 PM
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This is the latest I have seen.

From Tim P:
Put him in.

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This is the latest I have seen.

From Tim P:
Ah, MSE, you're one of the most reliable sources of info on the Flyers board.

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I would love to see him play but if not, o'well

Timonen -Vaananen
Coburn-Sbisa
Eminger-Alberts
Kukkonen

is what we will probally see until/if sbisa leaves

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I would love to see him play but if not, o'well

Timonen -Vaananen
Coburn-Sbisa
Eminger-Alberts
Kukkonen

is what we will probally see until/if sbisa leaves
I'm in the belief that a brand new Alberts is still > Kukkonen.

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10-13-2008, 05:42 PM
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Why not used all 7 d-men? You know we might need all of them against Habs, sit Cote?

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Why not used all 7 d-men? You know we might need all of them against Habs, sit Cote?
I think it's kind of early to consider playing 7 d-men personally. I don't think we should sit Cote because of the energy he can bring to the team, and with players like Ross and Asham on the 4th line still trying to prove themselves, or possibly Downie playing on the 4th line to try to prove he should be playing at the NHL level, I don't think it'd be worth benching one of them to play a 7th d-man.

I've always been under the impression that you play 7 defensemen in desperate times, and I don't think these are desperate times.

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Alberts is another big dmen that they like to use to kill penalties. Hopefully, Alberts and Vaananen can keep Timo and Coburn off the PK. Save them for the PP and ES. But, I still would have prefered to see what they have in the 15 or so dmen they have on the Flyers and Phantoms.

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Hopefully he works out for us, Eminger's been bad.

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Hopefully he works out for us, Eminger's been bad.
I thought Eminger was fine tonight.

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I thought Eminger was fine tonight.
Limited ice time can make any player look okay. He did fine, but he didn't have to play the minutes. Sciba played more than he did and was on the ice for more goals against.

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Limited ice time can make any player look okay. He did fine, but he didn't have to play the minutes. Sciba played more than he did and was on the ice for more goals against.
Everyone looked fine when they were playing well. Everyone looked like crap for the few minutes they **** the bed and lost the game. Depends on when you watch him, I guess. I was deliberately watching for him and I didn't see him do anything out of place except take that interference penalty which hasn't been called all season until that point.

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Does Alberts tend to block shots on the PK alot?


In the past when healthy - his best asset in the pk was his mobility.

He has a pretty good first step and is strong on the puck so he often got to the puck ahead of the opponent and was able to get it out.

He also has a long reach which helped.

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The problem is we're a team full of 6th defensemen. Kukkonen, Eminger, Vaananen, Alberts. Even Jones isn't far removed from being a #6. Sbisa and Parent are more talented, but at their age shouldn't be relied on as more than third-pairing blueliners, either.

The problem is only exacerbated by Jones' and Parent's lengthy injuries. I don't think the team can sit around and hope Eminger is suddenly going to turn into a top 4 d-man. Maybe he's young enough where you can package him with a forward in order to acquire an established second-pairing rearguard.

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I think it's kind of early to consider playing 7 d-men personally. I don't think we should sit Cote because of the energy he can bring to the team, and with players like Ross and Asham on the 4th line still trying to prove themselves, or possibly Downie playing on the 4th line to try to prove he should be playing at the NHL level, I don't think it'd be worth benching one of them to play a 7th d-man.

I've always been under the impression that you play 7 defensemen in desperate times, and I don't think these are desperate times.
Desperate times? They could come real soon. Check out our schedule for next 6 games.

Tue, Oct 14 @ Pittsburgh 7:30 PM (I hope we crash them tomorrow)
Thu, Oct 16 @ Colorado 9:00 PM
Sat, Oct 18 @ San Jose 10:30 PM
Wed, Oct 22 San Jose 7:00 PM
Fri, Oct 24 @ New Jersey 7:00 PM
Sat, Oct 25 New Jersey 7:00 PM

Flyers better start scoring a lot more on PP or somehow play better D as a team. I am betting on PP scoring.

I know, I know it's only been two games.

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Sbisa should stay in over Kukkenon
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