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10-14-2008, 11:58 AM
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Personally I'd like see Kosto, Begin, and Dandenault out, with Higgins playing on the Lang line, and a 4th line of Lapierre-Chipchura-Laraque.

However I think it's pretty clear that Kostopoulos is a favorite of Carbos, and the 4th line will be Kostopoulos-Lapierre-Laraque. I much prefer Laiperre at wing though, and think Chips deserves a spot.

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10-14-2008, 11:59 AM
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Gorges IS a Top-4 defenseman, in my opinion. The only reason that O'Byrne has more minutes right now is because Gorges is paired with Brisebois, who is our weakest defenseman at this point.

Maybe others don't feel Gorges is capable of that position, but I sure do. I think he's fantastic.
To me Gorges seems to be that defensemen that is slotted in the 5-6 range, but plays and executes like a 4th defensemen; a great luxury to have.

Begin and Dandenault will be taken out. Kostopoulos has played well enough to be first on the auxiliary depth chart. If Bouillion is ready to go, I think Brisebois will be the one to sit it out not O'byrne. Laraque-Lapierre-Kostopoulos has the makings of a good 4th line, Begin would be good in the role as well.

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10-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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Wow i like how you kept the top 9 core players on the team and got the top 4 defenseman. Peanut is that you ?
Last placed teams at the deadline want picks and prospects for rentals.

And yes I consider Gorges a top-4 D as well but look at the Wings or Ducks then they won the cup, they had 5 or maybe even 6 top-4 D. Getting another one wouldnt hurt.

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10-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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O'Byrne is better than Gorges. (and Brisebois will be scratched before them anyways.)

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10-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev
Tanguay - Koivu - Latendresse
Higgins - Lang - Kostitsyn
Kostopoulos - Chipchura - Laraque

Bench: Bégin - Lapierre - Dandenault

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - O'Byrne
Bouillon - Gorges

Bench : Brisebois

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10-14-2008, 12:05 PM
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O'Byrne is better than Gorges. (and Brisebois will be scratched before them anyways.)
no way! gives O'byrne body to Gorges and you've a Komisarek type of D!

O'Byrne is one of the less physical 6 foot 5 D in the league.

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10-14-2008, 12:07 PM
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Kostopoulos - Chipchura - Laraque
Weird line, I would fit Lapierre in there to get some speed.

EDIT: and I totally agree than Gorges with O'Byrne's body would be awesome, but that's not the case. But O'Byrne is a better puck mover than both Komisarek and Gorges, he WILL hit from times to times and the size advantage make him better than Gorges in the corners or in front of the net.

To me, Gorges is a great 3rd paring D, but not a 2nd pairing D. Last year he was better than O'Byrne, but O'Byrne seems a lot more confortable this year. (yeah it might be a streak, but I think he's simply better now)


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Didn't Gelinas say they will all be back for Saturday?

God I hope big George will play against the Bruins.
Well Yvon Pedneault said in the newspaper this morning that Laraque was expected to be back on wednesday. No word on Higgins though.

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10-14-2008, 12:08 PM
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However I think it's pretty clear that Kostopoulos is a favorite of Carbos

For good reason. He brings a lot to the table for a fourth line player, which is why he's the first to get pushed up to the third line in case of injuries. Why would you site him?

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10-14-2008, 12:09 PM
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Weird line, I would fit Lapierre in there to get some speed.
aside from speed , what lapierre bring to the table ? Chipchura can control the puck and is a smarter player then lapierre.

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10-14-2008, 12:15 PM
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aside from speed , what lapierre bring to the table ? Chipchura can control the puck and is a smarter player then lapierre.
Still, a line with Chipchura-Kosto-Laraque would be too slow to be effective.

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For good reason. He brings a lot to the table for a fourth line player, which is why he's the first to get pushed up to the third line in case of injuries. Why would you site him?
IMO, he's probably the best penalty killer on the team. He'll fight, hit, brings energy, his dump and chase game is awesome, he forechecks hard.. he's a great little player.

I think he may get pushed up because he was a scorer in junior, though.

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10-14-2008, 12:16 PM
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We all know that its 99.9% that Chipchura will be sent to Hamilton Wednesday if Laroque is back, but why can't the Habs trade him now even if its for draft round pick to give him a chance to play I know there is teams out there that would be happy to have them in thier system and give him an opportunity to play. Man, they just don't have any confidence in him at all. It makes no sense everyone says that his vision and hockey sense is greater than Begin, Lapierre and yet he sees no ice time. Is it possibe to be able to trade him this early in season?

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aside from speed , what lapierre bring to the table ? Chipchura can control the puck and is a smarter player then lapierre.
I agree that Chipper is a much smarter hockey player than Lappy.
O'byrne reminds me alot of C Ludwig type defensman.

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10-14-2008, 12:24 PM
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O'Byrne is better than Gorges. (and Brisebois will be scratched before them anyways.)
I would put O'Byrne at the bottom of our dept chart in defence actually (I'm not considering Dandenault part of our defence though). O'Byrne makes awfull rookie mistakes. I'm sure that with time, he will work his way up and establish himself as an NHLer but I don't think that, right now, he should be over Gorges and Brisebois.

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10-14-2008, 12:32 PM
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We all know that its 99.9% that Chipchura will be sent to Hamilton Wednesday if Laroque is back, but why can't the Habs trade him now even if its for draft round pick to give him a chance to play I know there is teams out there that would be happy to have them in thier system and give him an opportunity to play. Man, they just don't have any confidence in him at all. It makes no sense everyone says that his vision and hockey sense is greater than Begin, Lapierre and yet he sees no ice time. Is it possibe to be able to trade him this early in season?
I don't think Gainey is in the habit of doing favours for other GMs. If Chips doesn't stick in Montreal this year, he surely will next year when spots open up (e.g. Dandenault, Begin).

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Still, a line with Chipchura-Kosto-Laraque would be too slow to be effective.
And a line with Kostopoulod - Lapierre - Laraque would have absolutly no puck control and on-ice vision to be effective. Both line shave their downfalls

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Plain and simple, we all know the lines. Higgins will play with Koivu and stop to put Latendresse instead... Carbo made these lines in pre-season. The Koivu line will be better with Higgins and the Lang line will be better with Latendresse...

Higgins to replace Latendresse
Latendresse to replace Kostopoulos
Kostopoulos to replace Dandenault
Laraque to replace Begin
Bouillon to replace Brisebois

Five upgrades...

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I would put O'Byrne at the bottom of our dept chart in defence actually (I'm not considering Dandenault part of our defence though). O'Byrne makes awfull rookie mistakes. I'm sure that with time, he will work his way up and establish himself as an NHLer but I don't think that, right now, he should be over Gorges and Brisebois.

How dare you put Gorges in the same statement as Breezer.

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10-14-2008, 12:41 PM
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How dare you put Gorges in the same statement as Breezer.
lol....does it reasure you that I hesitated to write that last part

But seriously, Brisebois may make brain farts, but he does have a nice transition game and he is a good option on the PP. Something that O'Byrne is not.

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10-14-2008, 12:48 PM
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is Begin out for sure...?

- his minutes in pk droped.
- he takes dumb penalties.
- Hasn't been dangerous, something we can now ask from our 4th line.
- clears the puck in a very dumb fashion, causing tons of icing calls.

I love begin, and I really would love him to keep playing because I know he would die for that team ... and that's something that places him in a special group of players... despite his lucky goal last game, one can honestly see him in the press box, though.

cuts will depend on a lot of things... my personnal choice would be to give begin a start in division games such as boston and toronto ... when you just know he's going to give you that mean , aggressive , clean hit on a 4th line .

I honestly think kostopoulos, lapierre, and GL are going to start, meaning begin and dandy are out... brisebois as well, with bouillon going in. But a home opener at the bell center could change carbo's decisions.

I personally think lapierre needs to play a lot better. I hope that when laraque comes, it will force him to elevate his game... right now, I even think dandy outplayed him and begin... and for the home opener, I still think lapierre needs to play... but I think if we would still have played a game or two on the road, chipchura would have gotten a start instead of him.


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Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev
Tanguay - Koivu - Latendresse
Higgins - Lang - Kostitsyn
Kostopoulos - Chipchura - Laraque

Bench: Bégin - Lapierre - Dandenault

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - O'Byrne
Bouillon - Gorges

Bench : Brisebois
Best line-up we've seen in years.

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Didn't Gelinas say they will all be back for Saturday?

God I hope big George will play against the Bruins.
Same here, I want that moral victory.

I agree with the idea of Dandy, Breezer and Bégin being most likely to sit.

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Ryan O'byrne, Dandenault, Lapierre
Riiiiiight...

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is Begin out for sure...?

- his minutes in pk droped.
- he takes dumb penalties.
- Hasn't been dangerous, something we can now ask from our 4th line.
- clears the puck in a very dumb fashion, causing tons of icing calls.

I love begin, and I really would love him to keep playing because I know he would die for that team ... and that's something that places him in a special group of players... despite his lucky goal last game, one can honestly see him in the press box, though.

cuts will depend on a lot of things... my personnal choice would be to give begin a start in division games such as boston and toronto ... when you just know he's going to give you that mean , aggressive , clean hit on a 4th line .

I honestly think kostopoulos, lapierre, and GL are going to start, meaning begin and dandy are out... brisebois as well, with bouillon going in. But a home opener at the bell center could change carbo's decisions.

I personally think lapierre needs to play a lot better. I hope that when laraque comes, it will force him to elevate his game... right now, I even think dandy outplayed him and begin... and for the home opener, I still think lapierre needs to play... but I think if we would still have played a game or two on the road, chipchura would have gotten a start instead of him.

But but but.. He can score with a backhander from the point, without even looking!

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