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10-18-2008, 12:39 PM
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It's not a widely known rule at all, hence Oilers Nation using their press passes for exclusive blog material in the same way and never being kicked out of Rexall.

The issue isn't a blogger feeling entitled to his press pass -- David had a press pass as a member of the established media already. He did, however, almost get forceably get kicked out by security and lose his access for also being a blogger.

He was simply sharing what happened the other night, take it or leave it. It is interesting to debate about, though.
The Oilers have their own employed bloggers. THe guy was kicked out for blogging when he was supposed to be there working for an undisclosed employer. From the sounds of it he was abusing his rights even if he didn't know the rules were there. He wasn't doing the job he was contracted to do when he was updating his own blog.

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It cracks me up how people with the word "relations" in their title are often so poor at relating to others.

A general observation.


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10-18-2008, 12:41 PM
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A guy that broke the rules was dealt with. The horror! The horror!

People too sensitive these days..
More than that - if you read his piece - he had his press pass reinstated after an email exchange the following day, but is now refusing to take it back out of pride. It sounds like the Oiler press people may have been a little heavy handed on the night, but he is refusing to take the pass back because they have not sufficiently apologised (even though he was breaking rules, knowingly or unknowingly). There seems to be a bit of 'cutting off my nose to spite my face' going on.

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The Oilers have their own employed bloggers. THe guy was kicked out for blogging when he was supposed to be there working for an undisclosed employer. From the sounds of it he was abusing his rights even if he didn't know the rules were there. He wasn't doing the job he was contracted to do when he was updating his own blog.
It's the same in any major corporation. If we have some guy sent in to fix our printers and he's suddenly formatting our computers - actions would be taken. Pretty standard operating procedures in my mind.

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A guy that broke the rules was dealt with. The horror! The horror!
Heh, "rules." Should Robin Brownlee be escorted out of Rexall during their next game? Just saying...

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I didn't get one as a blogger (I don't believe I said that either) - just to make that clear.
Sorry Buzz, must have been a fault in my short term memory. You didn't say that, my mistake.

It does make me wonder about when they started warning people, since the whole fan blog explosion is a fairly recent development. If you got your pass recently, and C.I.O. had his for a few years, it could still mean you were both telling the truth.

Even if that was the case, I would imagine they give reminders of the rules if they change. Of course, a lot of us are to busy thinking about what we want to say/write that we don't fully listen to/read everything as fully as we should. Just because you don't recall being told something doesn't mean it never happened...just ask the wife.

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10-18-2008, 12:43 PM
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I agreee that the blogger sounds like the goth girl in highschool who goes home and cuts herself because the quarterback doesn't look at her, but really, those were some pretty geshtapo tactics used by the PR staff.

I'm in marketing, specifically sports marketing, and I can tell you that when people on the top have an idea they would like to convey their perticular product, they tighten the noose pretty quickly on anything that might prove condradictory. This of course negates my philosophy "there's no such thing as bad press" and I think the Oilers should get on top of this because they seem to be in bed with the NHL on the idea that "agenda" is more important than mass appeal, and we all know where thats got them.

That being said, I've been reading covered in oil for 3 years now and haven't once yet read anything that would prove them to be image damaging (tongue in cheek ) I will definately miss one of their best legs!

by the way, that Kimble clip was ********ing hilarious...great context

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So this anonymous guy admits that he recieved a press pass based on doing something different got called on it and is now trying to rally all of the Oilers blogoshere for sympathy and support, does that pretty much summarize it?

These guys, some who are good and some who can be considered worse that the worst posters here, cry for credibility and acceptance then hide behind their anonymity and prey on the imaturity of his blogging peers to garner support.

It can't work both ways.

Either disclose everything or accept your position as one that is not to be taken legitimately. Be it by the readers or the organization.

Who is he, why was he there? He says that his official capacity was irrelevant as was who employed him and yet it was probably the most relevant part of the story twhich he left out, if for no other reason because it would probably demand an explanation to his employer on why he wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing while on the company dime.

Frankly I think it's a joke on an grade school level for this guy to admit he was doing what he wasn't there to do and then run around trying to rat out someone else with out even the courtesy of investigating if those other guys had the proper permission from the organization.

Like 420ilerBuzz keeps trying to point out, this is only one side the story and it's clearly from some one who is very adept at playing the part of the victim.


Edit: What's the over under for this guy to start blogging again because of the "overwelming support" he has gotten from his peers?


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To be considered press you need to put your name to what you write and use the press pass given to you personally.

I don't see a problem with what happened.

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More than that - if you read his piece - he had his press pass reinstated after an email exchange the following day, but is now refusing to take it back out of pride. It sounds like the Oiler press people may have been a little heavy handed on the night, but he is refusing to take the pass back because they have not sufficiently apologised (even though he was breaking rules, knowingly or unknowingly). There seems to be a bit of 'cutting off my nose to spite my face' going on.
thats my take also after rereading the post

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Heh, "rules." Should Robin Brownlee be escorted out of Rexall during their next game? Just saying...
Robin is also a very respected person in the media - plus he writes for legitimate new sources. I think he's earned his stripes with the team.

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Sorry Buzz, must have been a fault in my short term memory. You didn't say that, my mistake.
No problem - I just wanted to clarify that.

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Robin is also a very respected person in the media - plus he writes for legitimate new sources. I think he's earned his stripes with the team.
Has anyone ever read a Robin Brownlee in game blog?

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Has anyone ever read a Robin Brownlee in game blog?
I haven't. Not a live one, that's for sure.

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I hadn't been to that blog before so I just went and took a look. It is the epitome of unprofessional. No wonder the Oilers would not want him to be in the press box, it isn't even journalism but more like mad ramblings. If you do a google search on "covered in oil" the topic headline is "**** YOU EDMONTON OILERS ORGANIZATION", which about sums up the quality of the blog.

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I can't say I disagree. It appears the Oilers haven't grasped the sea change in communications technology and are clinging to an outdated model.
Either that, or they refuse to grant media passes to a large group of fairly unrestricted media "types." Between Tencer, Brownlee, and Staples they have a reasonable amount of writers that are involved in the blog world.

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I haven't. Not a live one, that's for sure.
Which makes a guy wonder why he even getting singled out.

Am I misunderstanding the so called issue in that the Oilers were not objecting to a guy blogging but objecting to a guy blogging live in game reports?

Even Gregor seems like a dubious target. He only blogged the pre season games and none that I recall that were on TV.

This can't even be looked at as an Oilers issue but a Sportsnet or TSN or HNIC or CHED issue as well because those guys are paying for the right to do exactly what this guy was essentially pirating. They own the rights to broadcast the Oilers games and a different forum or medium being used can't be an excuse. I would have thought that a media guy, like he supposedly is, would be aware of such things.

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I hadn't been to that blog before so I just went and took a look. It is the epitome of unprofessional. No wonder the Oilers would not want him to be in the press box, it isn't even journalism but more like mad ramblings. If you do a google search on "covered in oil" the topic headline is "**** YOU EDMONTON OILERS ORGANIZATION", which about sums up the quality of the blog.
That's not a post from that blog. It's a post that was linked to coveredinoil from another blog. You can thank the rest of the oilogosphere for that one.

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That's not a post from that blog. It's a post that was linked to coveredinoil from another blog. You can thank the rest of the oilogosphere for that one.
Oh ok well maybe he didn't write that line, but the point still stands that when you read through his posts it reads more like an un-moderated message board than it does something that deserves a press pass from a professional organization.

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Heh, "rules." Should Robin Brownlee be escorted out of Rexall during their next game? Just saying...
The blogger was making fun of the other media for their eating habits. If he were just covering the game, it wouldn't have been a problem.

With that said - he was typing some pretty funny stuff

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So this anonymous guy admits that he recieved a press pass based on doing something different got called on it and is now trying to rally all of the Oilers blogoshere for sympathy and support, does that pretty much summarize it?

These guys, some who are good and some who can be considered worse that the worst posters here, cry for credibility and acceptance then hide behind their anonymity and prey on the imaturity of his blogging peers to garner support.

It can't work both ways.

Either disclose everything or accept your position as one that is not to be taken legitimately. Be it by the readers or the organization.

Who is he, why was he there? He says that his official capacity was irrelevant as was who employed him and yet it was probably the most relevant part of the story twhich he left out, if for no other reason because it would probably demand an explanation to his employer on why he wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing while on the company dime.

Frankly I think it's a joke on an grade school level for this guy to admit he was doing what he wasn't there to do and then run around trying to rat out someone else with out even the courtesy of investigating if those other guys had the proper permission from the organization.

Like 420ilerBuzz keeps trying to point out, this is only one side the story and it's clearly from some one who is very adept at playing the part of the victim.


Edit: What's the over under for this guy to start blogging again because of the "overwelming support" he has gotten from his peers?
Great post, agree completely. Beyond that, he, just like the rest of us, can blog whatever he wants whenever he want. Except, if he wants to do it from a game, he has to buy a ticket, just like the rest of us. Talk of censorship is beyond ridiculous. Whether the Oilers' rules are reasonable or not (or even detrimental to their own goals), is irrelevant. The only thing that matters, is that when you are in the press box, you are their guest. If they don't like what you are doing, they won't invite you back. I can't imagine why it should be any other way.

Furthermore, it is certainly possible to benefit monetarily by running a blog, and access is the main thing a blogger lacks relative to the MSM. Why shouldn't the Oilers have a say on whether they wish to sponsor someone's blog (albeit indirectly)?

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Hey, I'm just saying what happened when I received one. And it still is only one side of the story - and is great for debate, don't get me wrong.

All I'm saying is that I knew about the rule (as do many others that I know in the media) because it was explicitly explained to me (and others). I thought the same would have happened for him.
420 - I know nothing about the media world. Why would it be an issue if the blogger did a live blog? Is it simply because of the issue they don't want people describing the game online, which would cause fans not to go to the game, or buy the PPV or something.

Seems to me that live blogging wouldn't be a big deal - it definately wouldn't stop me from going to the game or buying the PPV or getting NHL CI.

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Robin is also a very respected person in the media - plus he writes for legitimate new sources. I think he's earned his stripes with the team.
David also writes for legitimate news sources. And like Brownlee, he's used material gained from a press pass for a separate blog (which I think should be fine -- because it's, uh, not a big deal). Same "rules" broken.

The point being missed is that the Oilers seem to be picking favourites based on who they can control, and everything after that seems to be secondary (hence the rule making as they go along). As a hockey fan, I'd rather read stuff that occasionally asks a tough question to the team rather than rah-rah cheerleading, but that's just me.

(No slight to Brownlee either. I like his stuff.)

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I just had a look at this blog and some of the linked blogs. Talk about amateurish crap. No wonder the Oilers don't want this guy watching the games for free from the press box. Buy your way in if you aren't a legitimate member of the press.

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I imagine this fellow was given a press pass by his boss, which is probably why he didn't know the rules. That's just what I'm gathering considering he was keeping in touch with him via chat on his laptop or whatever...

Either way, can't say I feel sorry for him. Yeah it sucks, but that's life. It's too bad nobody gave him the courtesy of telling him what he can/can't do, but on the flip side, why wouldn't he ask?

Too bad that it happened, but that's life.

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