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10-21-2008, 12:58 PM
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Bettman's immaculate inception



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10-21-2008, 01:00 PM
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Bottom line - is putting another team in Toronto helping to grow the sport? No. It's a move to help their finances and that's it.
Oh, I agree.

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You make it sound like the city has no relevance to the team, well it does. Most of the fans of a team are from said city. Most, not all, but most. You put two teams in one city, you're not gaining fans so much as dividing a fan base.
1. Not necessarily

2. Who cares, if the fan base is so large that it can support multiple teams in a financially healthy manner..



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NYC has 2 (almost 3) teams but how many are actually successful? I'm not sure what net revenue looks like, but the arenas for the Islanders and Devils sure don't look *ahem* full.

The thing about Toronto is that for the most part its populous is Leaf fans, not hockey fans. A second team would be Islanders-lite. At least the Islanders and Devils have a geographic boundary from the Rangers they (and their fans) can consider their territory. I'm not sure how well a Chicago baseball-style division (north and south side, for those unaware) would work in Toronto, especially when one team is right downtown. There isn't much of a cultural boundary, either.

Suffice to say, I think you're both wrong.
Hey I agree wth your points.. Its imperfect.

But imo, a 2nd team in toronto is better than Hamilton, Winnipeg, Vegas, Portland, Nashville, Miami, etc.

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Just so everyone hasn't forgotten.
Quebec Nords didn't leave because of financial problems, they left because the owner bought the team cheap and was offered a nice big sum of money and they eventually relocated to Colorado...

Come to think of it....why didn't Bettman stop that from happening like he's had to mangle with Balisle's purchases.

GOD I hate Bettman. Strike him down with a Kurt Sauer elbow!

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where's the jokes in this thread. I didn't see any on the first 2 pages. My thoughts on this story......

They should consider getting a first team in Toronto.
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Yeah, good idea for Toronto can get a second team so that the Leafs can be a farm team for that new team.
OR
can someone get something funnier so I can repeat it to co-workers?

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Just so everyone hasn't forgotten.
Quebec Nords didn't leave because of financial problems, they left because the owner bought the team cheap and was offered a nice big sum of money and they eventually relocated to Colorado...

Come to think of it....why didn't Bettman stop that from happening like he's had to mangle with Balisle's purchases.

GOD I hate Bettman. Strike him down with a Kurt Sauer elbow!
It was a legitimate shoulder to shoulder hit

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where's the jokes in this thread. I didn't see any on the first 2 pages. My thoughts on this story......

They should consider getting a first team in Toronto.
OR
Yeah, good idea for Toronto can get a second team so that the Leafs can be a farm team for that new team.
OR
can someone get something funnier so I can repeat it to co-workers?
How bout: "But I already thought there WAS an expansion team in Toronto"

I get no credit for this. Its in this thread.

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where's the jokes in this thread. I didn't see any on the first 2 pages. My thoughts on this story......

They should consider getting a first team in Toronto.
OR
Yeah, good idea for Toronto can get a second team so that the Leafs can be a farm team for that new team.
OR
can someone get something funnier so I can repeat it to co-workers?
Toronto would/and will NEVER get a 2nd team as MLSE own zoning rights and can veto any proposal to open a 2nd franchise there.

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Toronto would/and will NEVER get a 2nd team as MLSE own zoning rights and can veto any proposal to open a 2nd franchise there.
Except that Peddie was quoted as saying he wouldn't mind it and might make more money from it..

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Toronto would/and will NEVER get a 2nd team as MLSE own zoning rights and can veto any proposal to open a 2nd franchise there.
MLSE can be compensated for lost revenue though.

Why hasn't anybody called for Montreal to get a second team? With our depth, we can easily ice two teams which are better than anything Toronto can muster.

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10-21-2008, 01:16 PM
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Balisile before he bought the Preds, tested the market in Hamilton.

They sold out season tickets in less then an hour.
Hamilton has if not mistaken a population of just under 700,000. That is a hockey market, and if it wasn't proof enough that people there are willing to pay to watch....
SEASON TICKERS WERE SOLD OUT BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN A TEAM!!

Don't know what else Balisle could do to prove that Hamilton is the next best viable location for an NHL franchise.
Everything you say is true, except it wasn't an hour... it was a day and half... but yeah they had 14,000 paid deposits on season tickets in a day and a half.

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Don't know what else Balisle could do to prove that Hamilton is the next best viable location for an NHL franchise.
The absolute last thing Bettman wants is to have millions of US viewers tune in to the Stanley Cup finals on NBC for the very first time & see shots of downtown Hamilton.

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Balisile before he bought the Preds, tested the market in Hamilton.

They sold out season tickets in less then an hour.
Hamilton has if not mistaken a population of just under 700,000. That is a hockey market, and if it wasn't proof enough that people there are willing to pay to watch....
SEASON TICKERS WERE SOLD OUT BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN A TEAM!!

Don't know what else Balisle could do to prove that Hamilton is the next best viable location for an NHL franchise.
You do know that ticket sells is not the only thing that matters right?

Value of TV rights need to be considered in the equation.

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The absolute last thing Bettman wants is to have millions of US viewers tune in to the Stanley Cup finals on NBC for the very first time & see shots of downtown Hamilton.
EASY.... Downtown Hamilton isn't so bad....

And if they showed shots of Westdale/Cootes Paradise it would be very nice...

Now if you show shots of Barton Street, Stelco/Dofasco... then yeah its ugly.

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You do know that ticket sells is not the only thing that matters right?

Value of TV rights need to be considered in the equation.
Like TheScore, TSN, Sportsnet wouldn't be lining up for more hockey coverage....

As if Nashville has some lucrative local TV deal.

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Just so everyone hasn't forgotten.
Quebec Nords didn't leave because of financial problems, they left because the owner bought the team cheap and was offered a nice big sum of money and they eventually relocated to Colorado...

Come to think of it....why didn't Bettman stop that from happening like he's had to mangle with Balisle's purchases.

GOD I hate Bettman. Strike him down with a Kurt Sauer elbow!
Hmm!!! I seem to recall a building that was a dump and a provincal government that didn't care about trying to do anything to save them. I think you history is a bit fuzzy!

How often do Habs fans deal with Preds fans? As a Hawk fan i have meet many and they are good people. Most are new to hockey and they love there preds. For people in Montreal, Toronto, Etc to just dismiss them as not caring about there teams is just a joke.

I for one hope the Preds can have better economic future to save them. Last year they posted a profit/no loses. They are good people down there in Nashville! They are good hockey folk!

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millions of US viewers tune in to the Stanley Cup finals on NBC


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The absolute last thing Bettman wants is to have millions of US viewers tune in to the Stanley Cup finals on NBC for the very first time & see shots of downtown Hamilton.
My point exactly. If Hamilton ever gets a team, then why not give one to Roberval, QC? They're Krafts' Hockeyville and are crazy for hockey!!!

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EASY.... Downtown Hamilton isn't so bad....

And if they showed shots of Westdale/Cootes Paradise it would be very nice...

Now if you show shots of Barton Street, Stelco/Dofasco... then yeah its ugly.
They'd have to show Copps.

But that's assuming Copps Coliseum would be the official venue.

Point being, the NHL wants a sexy city that viewers can recognize in order to sell their product on TV. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's the nature. Toronto pt. 2 would be something they'd have no problem with.

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EASY.... Downtown Hamilton isn't so bad....

And if they showed shots of Westdale/Cootes Paradise it would be very nice...

Now if you show shots of Barton Street, Stelco/Dofasco... then yeah its ugly.



Like TheScore, TSN, Sportsnet wouldn't be lining up for more hockey coverage....

As if Nashville has some lucrative local TV deal.
Its all about reach. I'm sure Nashville can reach more potential viewers. No?

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EASY.... Downtown Hamilton isn't so bad....

And if they showed shots of Westdale/Cootes Paradise it would be very nice...

Now if you show shots of Barton Street, Stelco/Dofasco... then yeah its ugly.



Like TheScore, TSN, Sportsnet wouldn't be lining up for more hockey coverage....

As if Nashville has some lucrative local TV deal.
Its not the fact that the city is nice or not. But the NHL cannot afford to expand to a no-name (at least in the states) Canadian city.

Even Winnipeg or Quebec is a stretch.

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maybe they could combine both teams points during the season so they can make the playoffs

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Nice try Bettman but even if you add up both team's total points, the Leafs will still not make the playoffs.

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Its all about reach. I'm sure Nashville can reach more potential viewers. No?
Honestly, without a deal with ESPN, I'm not sure that is the case. Most hockey in the U.S. is broadcast on regional Fox Sports networks... key word being regional. I'm not sure whether people even, say, 200 miles away would get the station that carries Preds games as part of a basic cable/DirecTV/Dish Network package.

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They'd have to show Copps.

But that's assuming Copps Coliseum would be the official venue.

Point being, the NHL wants a sexy city that viewers can recognize in order to sell their product on TV. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's the nature. Toronto pt. 2 would be something they'd have no problem with.
Copps isn't so bad now... and neither is the area around it.

100 million in renovations was also promised by Ballsille if he gets a team in Hamilton in order to bring the rink up to modern standards.... (its over 20 years old)

As for the perception of Hamilton as noname... Why not name the team the Ontario XXXXX.... kinda like Florida panthers or Minnesota Wild.

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Copps isn't so bad now... and neither is the area around it.

100 million in renovations was also promised by Ballsille if he gets a team in Hamilton in order to bring the rink up to modern standards.... (its over 20 years old)

As for the perception of Hamilton as noname... Why not name the team the Ontario XXXXX.... kinda like Florida panthers or Minnesota Wild.
Not a bad idea... but if you're gonna have an "Ontario" team.. wouldn't you put it in the biggest city/capital?

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