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10-21-2008, 07:42 PM
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Mehhhh, it was written in the sky anyway... better chance next time I guess...

One of the most hilarious thing about Chipchura in his draft year is that: he was hyped as one of the most NHL ready prospect and surefire NHLer... despite having limited offensive potential...

4 years later.... he's still taking the ride between Hamilton and Montreal...


NHL ready huh ?! ... rrriiiight....




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Mehhhh, it was written in the sky anyway... better chance next time I guess...

One of the most hilarious thing about Chipchura in his draft year is that: he was hyped as one of the most NHL ready prospect and surefire NHLer... despite having limited offensive potential...

4 years later.... he's still taking the ride between Hamilton and Montreal...


NHL ready huh ?! ... rrriiiight....



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haahahahahahahahahaa. poor guy has no luck.

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haahahahahahahahahaa. poor guy has no luck.
I'm pretty sure Gainey and CO. have explained things to him. This is the Montreal Canadiens, not the Toronto Maple Leafs.

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I have a feeling A.Kosti won't be playing on Saturday.
speaking of akost whats wrong with they guy? is it good or bad that nothing has been said?

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speaking of akost whats wrong with they guy? is it good or bad that nothing has been said?
From the looks of the hit, the way he feel and the way he needed help to stay on 1 knee...
He has a concussion.

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I' m pretty sure he is more NHL ready than A.J. Thelen (12th overall),
Kris Chucko (24th overall), Mark Fristric (28th overall), Andy Rogers (30th overall) and the 3/4 of the players the habs could have selected instead


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ok now, just dare answering my facts
To answer what facts ?! That riskier players like Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Wojtek Wolski, David Krejci, Dustin Boyd, Mike Green, Dave Bolland, David Booth, Brandon Dubinsky, Jeff Shultz, Lauri Korpikoski, Carl Soderberg, etc. have turn out to be better at this point than Kyle Chipchura, the captain of Team Canada U-20, Surefire NHLer and future defensive specialist ?!

Thank you for illustrating so well why theses so called "Safe prospect" with limited potential shouldn't be drafted in the first round !! Kyle Chipchura will soon be part of this amazing list.

Sorry, but this pick is as worst as picks like Brent Bilodeau, Jason Ward, Turner Stevenson and so on !! It's not because it's Trevor Timmins that he can't be wrong with his draft choices.

1) First of all, THERE ARE NO surefire prospect in this world. Every player has a busting percentage, some just has a higher rate than others. That's why IMO, you draft the best player available with the main criteria: TALENT and OFFENSIVE SKILLS !!

2) The players that you listed were considered somehow "Safe" to make the NHL, which turns out absolutely false at this moment. Thoses guys were projected to be future 3rd/4th liners or bottom pairing defensemen at best. My point is, why taking thoses kind of players when you can have bigger catches with players who has higher potential ?! Thoses so called "Safe" prospect with limited potential are good in the 3rd round and laters, but in the first round ?!?! PLease... they become Jason Ward, A.J Thelen and Kyle Chipchura of this world...

The guy that was projected as a 3rd liner might turn out only as a 4th liner or Career AHLer. On the other hand, the guy that was projected to be a top 6 forward might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner. His potential is better, there's more chance that he will have more impact on his future team and and so on... There's always chances that he can become a good 2-way player. You can't teach Offensive skills, but you can teach defensive skills. , just ask Sergei Kostitsyn

3) What's the point of drafting theses so called "safe" prospect with limited potential, only to see them bust ?!?! You don't win much if they pans out, but YOU LOSE A 1ST ROUND PICK if they Bust !! I'd feel better if the player I took bust because he was riskier due to his higher ceiling than a guy with small potential that bust the same...

Also, it's not because other teams drafted poorly that it's okay for us to do the same. This is what seperates good teams from bad.

Like I said before and I will repeat it again will pleasure, guys like Kyle Chipchura are raining in this world and you guys can't tell me the opposite right now.

4) The future of this team and of the league will be based on speedy players with offensive skills. The traditional slow defensive specialist is becoming old fashion. I want to see 3 centers that can skate and have decent offensive skills centering my my first 3 lines. Sorry, but Kyle Chipchura doesn't fill this bill. He will never be anything more than a 4th liner/border line NHLer. Plus he sucks at face-off so that's even worse for a guy of his style !!

Ohhh and the "He captained team Canada U-20 and has great leadership" thing is becoming old. Seriously, WHO CARES ?!


If Kyle Chipcura would be a property of another team, nobody would even notice this dude, let alone defend him like if you guys were his bodyguard.

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This is pure gold. So he should have made the team a few years ago, despite the fact that he had a freak injury that cost him an entire season of development? Or should he have made the team in his first pro season? Did Pleks suck cause he spent 3 years in the AHL?

As for Chipchura not bringing anything special to the team, I suggest you need to learn how evaluate players better.
Finally to answer Montreal, Tomas Plekanec is an offensive player. Him taking more time to develop is fine with me, because he was kind of a project. Where did I say that Plekanec sucked ?! He's one of my favorite Habs player. But a so called "Safe prospect" like Kyle Chipchura still being in the AHL after 4 years, is just pathetic.



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To answer what facts ?! That riskier players like Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Wojtek Wolski, David Krejci, Dustin Boyd, Mike Green, Dave Bolland, David Booth, Brandon Dubinsky, Jeff Shultz, Lauri Korpikoski, Carl Soderberg, etc. have turn out to be better at this point than Kyle Chipchura, the captain of Team Canada U-20, Surefire NHLer and future defensive specialist ?!
I don't have the time to address every one of these guys, but Lauri Korpikoski was in the minors in Hartford all last year. He's played four NHL games and has 0 points and is a -3. You can't say he's "turned out" to be better than Chipchura; not only is it ridiculous to say what any of those guys will "turn out" to be at this point, right now Chipchura has more games, more points, and I suspect a better plus/minus.

Has Soderberg played a game for the Bruins yet? (The Boston ones, not the Providence ones). I don't think he has.

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To answer what facts ?! That riskier players like Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Wojtek Wolski, David Krejci, Dustin Boyd, Mike Green, Dave Bolland, David Booth, Brandon Dubinsky, Jeff Shultz, Lauri Korpikoski, Carl Soderberg, etc. have turn out to be better at this point than Kyle Chipchura, the captain of Team Canada U-20, Surefire NHLer and future defensive specialist ?!

Thank you for illustrating so well why theses so called "Safe prospect" with limited potential shouldn't be drafted in the first round !! Kyle Chipchura will soon be part of this amazing list.

Sorry, but this pick is as worst as picks like Brent Bilodeau, Jason Ward, Turner Stevenson and so on !! It's not because it's Trevor Timmins that he can't be wrong with his draft choices.

1) First of all, THERE ARE NO surefire prospect in this world. Every player has a busting percentage, some just has a higher rate than others. That's why IMO, you draft the best player available with the main criteria: TALENT and OFFENSIVE SKILLS !!

2) The players that you listed were considered somehow "Safe" to make the NHL, which turns out absolutely false at this moment. Thoses guys were projected to be future 3rd/4th liners or bottom pairing defensemen at best. My point is, why taking thoses kind of players when you can have bigger catches with players who has higher potential ?! Thoses so called "Safe" prospect with limited potential are good in the 3rd round and laters, but in the first round ?!?! PLease... they become Jason Ward, A.J Thelen and Kyle Chipchura of this world...

The guy that was projected as a 3rd liner might turn out only as a 4th liner or Career AHLer. On the other hand, the guy that was projected to be a top 6 forward might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner. His potential is better, there's more chance that he will have more impact on his future team and and so on... There's always chances that he can become a good 2-way player. You can't teach Offensive skills, but you can teach defensive skills. , just ask Sergei Kostitsyn

3) What's the point of drafting theses so called "safe" prospect with limited potential, only to see them bust ?!?! You don't win much if they pans out, but YOU LOSE A 1ST ROUND PICK if they Bust !! I'd feel better if the player I took bust because he was riskier due to his higher ceiling than a guy with small potential that bust the same...

Also, it's not because other teams drafted poorly that it's okay for us to do the same. This is what seperates good teams from bad.

Like I said before and I will repeat it again will pleasure, guys like Kyle Chipchura are raining in this world and you guys can't tell me the opposite right now.

4) The future of this team and of the league will be based on speedy players with offensive skills. The traditional slow defensive specialist is becoming old fashion. I want to see 3 centers that can skate and have decent offensive skills centering my my first 3 lines. Sorry, but Kyle Chipchura doesn't fill this bill. He will never be anything more than a 4th liner/border line NHLer. Plus he sucks at face-off so that's even worse for a guy of his style !!

Ohhh and the "He captained team Canada U-20 and has great leadership" thing is becoming old. Seriously, WHO CARES ?!


If Kyle Chipcura would be a property of another team, nobody would even notice this dude, let alone defend him like if you guys were his bodyguard.



Finally to answer Montreal, Tomas Plekanec is an offensive player. Him taking more time to develop is fine with me, because he was kind of a project. Where did I say that Plekanec sucked ?! He's one of my favorite Habs player. But a so called "Safe prospect" like Kyle Chipchura still being in the AHL after 4 years, is just pathetic.


So listening to you, from now on, we should only draft forwards that are offensive,

And you still did not answered the fact that Chipchura is more NHL ready than the 3/4 of the players drafed this year

An I don't see what Jeff Shultz, Lauri Korpikoski and Carl Soderberg have done more than Chipchura at this point...

Anyway, you are maybe the most biased poster on this boards, And, if the stupidity of you opinions would not oblige people to quote you to make you understand that you are the worst analyser in the world, You would be on everyone's ignore list

Oh and BTW Sergei had a worst game than Kyle Yesterday, following your logic, he should be sent to Hamilton right?


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I've said it before and I'll say it again...

sure Chipchura's high end potential is a third liner... but not your average third liner...

i'm talking max potential to be like a Guy Carbonneau or a Bob Gainey.

I still say that is more valuable than drafting a guy with offensive skills whose max potential is to be a 60 pt NHL player.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again...

sure Chipchura's high end potential is a third liner... but not your average third liner...

i'm talking max potential to be like a Guy Carbonneau or a Bob Gainey.

I still say that is more valuable than drafting a guy with offensive skills whose max potential is to be a 60 pt NHL player.
That's right

Chipchura is a big member of the future,
& has the ceiling of being one of the best 3rd liners who ever lived. + He does still have untapped potential. He was the top pick in his WHL draft, and was at one point rated as the # 1 pick. Chips has offensive potential, he had to have it to get noticed by WJC selection comittee.

Chips is a rare breed of NHL'ers that are usually found on Championship calibre clubs.

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Chipchura is a big member of the future,
& has the ceiling of being one of the best 3rd liners who ever lived. + He does still have untapped potential. He was the top pick in his WHL draft, and was at one point rated as the # 1 pick. Chips has offensive potential, he had to have it to get noticed by WJC selection comittee.

Chips is a rare breed of NHL'ers that are usually found on Championship calibre clubs.
I basically agree with this, though I also think that to hit the potential you describe, Chips is going to have to move a bit faster from point A to point B on the ice, and I hope he works on this as hard as Gui did on his skating.

The thing is I was quite positively impressed with his play Monday night. Seeing the game live at the Bell Center, I actually focussed in on Kyle for two shifts, which is something you can't do watching the game on TV. I can tell you that his instinct for the game and his play away from the puck is among the best I have ever seen in a young player. Also, despite his lack of experience playing against grown men, he wins a strong majority of his one-on-one battles for the puck.

These are traits that championship teams do need. I think Kyle will be a permanent member of the team by next year latest. To me, it's not a competition. I like Higgins AND Chips AND Sergei!

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You can't teach Offensive skills, but you can teach defensive skills.

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I don't agree with this comment, at least without any further explanation of it. The understanding of the game and physical/technical abilities of guys like Crosby/Ovechkin is not something you can teach to anybody. It is a complete package that they have where lots of aspects of the game are taken to a level that others cannot match across the board in the same way.

But 'offensive skills' covers more than just what the elite players of the world do, it is all sorts of aspects of the game which each player develops to differing degrees to suit their game, and such elements can most certainly be taught. A couple of quick examples from our team would be Gui and Sergei. Gui himself stated in an interview that he wants to improve how he plays in front of the net and that he looked to Holmstrom as an example of how to do so effectively. That is an offensive skill, being in position, setting the screen just right, knowing when and how to push off opponents in front of the crease for an extra half second of time and what to do with the rebound. That can be taught. Andrei has learned how to do that since starting out in Hamilton. We saw how effective he was at the top of the crease last year, and despite his already impressive skillset, he learned how to do that. Sergei can learn how to better use his offensive skills too by being a bit greedier in the slot with the puck. We know he can pass and shoot very well, but he doesn't make full use of that shot. Instead of defaulting more often than not to passing the puck, which suits his playing style, over time he will likely learn to use his shot more often and more effectively.

It could be just a simple offensive skill like finding open space for a guy with a good shot, learning when not to make that extra move for a puck handler or to make a pass earlier to a fast moving teammate for a playmaker. It could be a whole range of such aspects of the game that a player develops, but they can be taught.

And like you said defensive skills can be taught as well. In the case of Chipchura (seeing as he is the topic of conversation), he has a good range of defensive skills fairly well developed at this point and some things come naturally to him which don't to other players, like his positioning and ability to read the game in and around his own zone. But he also has some offensive skills he can put to good use and perhaps develop further at the NHL level. He has an okay/good wrister from around the hash marks. He can pass the puck fairly well to teammates, both in open play and when under pressure. His skills along the boards allow him to win the puck quite often and in the offensive zone, that, coupled with his hands allow him to create a little room to use the two previously mentioned skills. I think that while he knows where his strengths lie, he has enough balance in his game and enough chance of developing to be more than a one dimensional role player.

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Sorry, but this pick is as worst as picks like Brent Bilodeau, Jason Ward, Turner Stevenson and so on !! It's not because it's Trevor Timmins that he can't be wrong with his draft choices.

1) First of all, THERE ARE NO surefire prospect in this world. Every player has a busting percentage, some just has a higher rate than others. That's why IMO, you draft the best player available with the main criteria: TALENT and OFFENSIVE SKILLS !!

2) The players that you listed were considered somehow "Safe" to make the NHL, which turns out absolutely false at this moment. Thoses guys were projected to be future 3rd/4th liners or bottom pairing defensemen at best. My point is, why taking thoses kind of players when you can have bigger catches with players who has higher potential ?! Thoses so called "Safe" prospect with limited potential are good in the 3rd round and laters, but in the first round ?!?! PLease... they become Jason Ward, A.J Thelen and Kyle Chipchura of this world...

The guy that was projected as a 3rd liner might turn out only as a 4th liner or Career AHLer. On the other hand, the guy that was projected to be a top 6 forward might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner. His potential is better, there's more chance that he will have more impact on his future team and and so on... There's always chances that he can become a good 2-way player. You can't teach Offensive skills, but you can teach defensive skills. , just ask Sergei Kostitsyn

3) What's the point of drafting theses so called "safe" prospect with limited potential, only to see them bust ?!?! You don't win much if they pans out, but YOU LOSE A 1ST ROUND PICK if they Bust !! I'd feel better if the player I took bust because he was riskier due to his higher ceiling than a guy with small potential that bust the same...

Like I said before and I will repeat it again will pleasure, guys like Kyle Chipchura are raining in this world and you guys can't tell me the opposite right now.

Finally to answer Montreal, Tomas Plekanec is an offensive player. Him taking more time to develop is fine with me, because he was kind of a project. Where did I say that Plekanec sucked ?! He's one of my favorite Habs player. But a so called "Safe prospect" like Kyle Chipchura still being in the AHL after 4 years, is just pathetic
You just keep digging deeper and deeper with your comments which make my head hurt. Chipchura as bad of a pick as Bilodeau, your either just trying to stir things up or your so off base you don't have clue what your talking about. I always liked Ward at least he worked hard but he was lacking in skills. Stevenson though he had a decent career I wouldn't knock him at all personally.

1) Yes I agree with that, all prospects can bust, but to me Chipchura is a lock to play in the nhl as he's a safe bet, you know what your getting with him. Very smart hockey sense, good passing skills, very good puck protection skills, good strength and balance, elite PKer, smart positional, hard working, leadership qualities. Chipchura could end up a bust as anyone else can but he already does all the little things right, just needs to round out certain parts of his game, so at worst he should be a regular 4th line in the future.

2)You need quality players at every position, so what if you get them in the 1st round, it all works out in the end, when you find guys like Kostitsyn in th 7th round or Halak in the 9th. The Habs have drafted very well since Timmins took over so one would think he knows what he's doing.

3)How do you know a player will bust just because he's a defensive forward? How do you know that Chipchura won't be able to contribute offensively?

As for guys like Chipchura raining in the AHL and no one can tell you otherwise, well I can tell you but you won't listen as it appears your going to be stuck on your opinion. I would like to know just how many AHL games you watch, cause I've seen a ton every year, and for some reason I don't see a bunch of Kyle Chipchura's all over the place.

As for your comment on Pleks, more pure gold. So it's ok that it took Pleks or Kostitsyn 3 years in the AHL because they are offensive but because Chipchura is a defensive forward he should be in the NHL faster? How about the injury that cost him a year of development, does that factor? He's spent 2 years in the AHL at this point, it's a process that you can't just say a safe guy should take this long and offensive guys can take this long. PLAYERS DEVELOP AT THEIR OWN RATE, some will get there faster then others, it's not a race to who gets the NHL first, its' how they help the team win, which imo we'll start to see more of this year from Chipchura and beyond this year hopefully we'll see a lot of that from him.

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To answer what facts ?! That riskier players like Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Wojtek Wolski, David Krejci, Dustin Boyd, Mike Green, Dave Bolland, David Booth, Brandon Dubinsky, Jeff Shultz, Lauri Korpikoski, Carl Soderberg, etc. have turn out to be better at this point than Kyle Chipchura, the captain of Team Canada U-20, Surefire NHLer and future defensive specialist ?!

Thank you for illustrating so well why theses so called "Safe prospect" with limited potential shouldn't be drafted in the first round !! Kyle Chipchura will soon be part of this amazing list.

Sorry, but this pick is as worst as picks like Brent Bilodeau, Jason Ward, Turner Stevenson and so on !! It's not because it's Trevor Timmins that he can't be wrong with his draft choices.

1) First of all, THERE ARE NO surefire prospect in this world. Every player has a busting percentage, some just has a higher rate than others. That's why IMO, you draft the best player available with the main criteria: TALENT and OFFENSIVE SKILLS !!

2) The players that you listed were considered somehow "Safe" to make the NHL, which turns out absolutely false at this moment. Thoses guys were projected to be future 3rd/4th liners or bottom pairing defensemen at best. My point is, why taking thoses kind of players when you can have bigger catches with players who has higher potential ?! Thoses so called "Safe" prospect with limited potential are good in the 3rd round and laters, but in the first round ?!?! PLease... they become Jason Ward, A.J Thelen and Kyle Chipchura of this world...

The guy that was projected as a 3rd liner might turn out only as a 4th liner or Career AHLer. On the other hand, the guy that was projected to be a top 6 forward might turn out to be a 3rd or 4th liner. His potential is better, there's more chance that he will have more impact on his future team and and so on... There's always chances that he can become a good 2-way player. You can't teach Offensive skills, but you can teach defensive skills. , just ask Sergei Kostitsyn

3) What's the point of drafting theses so called "safe" prospect with limited potential, only to see them bust ?!?! You don't win much if they pans out, but YOU LOSE A 1ST ROUND PICK if they Bust !! I'd feel better if the player I took bust because he was riskier due to his higher ceiling than a guy with small potential that bust the same...

Also, it's not because other teams drafted poorly that it's okay for us to do the same. This is what seperates good teams from bad.

Like I said before and I will repeat it again will pleasure, guys like Kyle Chipchura are raining in this world and you guys can't tell me the opposite right now.

4) The future of this team and of the league will be based on speedy players with offensive skills. The traditional slow defensive specialist is becoming old fashion. I want to see 3 centers that can skate and have decent offensive skills centering my my first 3 lines. Sorry, but Kyle Chipchura doesn't fill this bill. He will never be anything more than a 4th liner/border line NHLer. Plus he sucks at face-off so that's even worse for a guy of his style !!

Ohhh and the "He captained team Canada U-20 and has great leadership" thing is becoming old. Seriously, WHO CARES ?!


If Kyle Chipcura would be a property of another team, nobody would even notice this dude, let alone defend him like if you guys were his bodyguard.



Finally to answer Montreal, Tomas Plekanec is an offensive player. Him taking more time to develop is fine with me, because he was kind of a project. Where did I say that Plekanec sucked ?! He's one of my favorite Habs player. But a so called "Safe prospect" like Kyle Chipchura still being in the AHL after 4 years, is just pathetic.


Chipchura still being in the AHL after 4 years?

He was drafted in 2004, he played 04-05 and 05-06 in the WHL

Played 06-07 in the AHL
Played 07-08 half AHL and half NHL
Has played 08-09 half AHL half NHL

Where are you taking, STILL BEING in THE AHL AFTER 4 years..

If you saying, still being in the ahl after 4 years from his draft year, I just say it's pretty common... not pathetic..

And Chipchura was drafted for his potential... His potential was to be a premier Third Line Center. I'm not saying he will...

But a premier defensive forward is as important to a hockey club as a premier 1st line center...

Of course, a premier 1st line center is more spectacular but we need every kind of player in a team if we want to succeed...

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To answer what facts ?! That riskier players like Travis Zajac, Andrej Meszaros, Wojtek Wolski, David Krejci, Dustin Boyd, Mike Green, Dave Bolland, David Booth, Brandon Dubinsky, Jeff Shultz, Lauri Korpikoski, Carl Soderberg, etc. have turn out to be better at this point than Kyle Chipchura, the captain of Team Canada U-20, Surefire NHLer and future defensive specialist ?!

Thank you for illustrating so well why theses so called "Safe prospect" with limited potential shouldn't be drafted in the first round !! Kyle Chipchura will soon be part of this amazing list.
Who said they were riskier? Some people said that Chipchura was a safe bet, did you ever heard Timmins say that as well or in his mind did he draft the best player available? Are you saying that Timmins ALWAYS go with safe players....like Kostitsyn I guess....

As far as safe prospect that was said as having limited offensive potential, I believe Chris Higgins fit that profile at the time as well....thank you for illustrating that the "safe prospect" does in fact deserve to be 1st rounders after all....And again what are you blaming here? The choice or Chipchura's development? 'Cause you do know that in his draft year, he had a groin injury that kinda stopped his progression at point and that freakin accident he had in the AHL as well.....who says that it's not the choice itself but the development he didn't have that didn't make him a faster and better offensive player? Can you honestly confirm that the ruptured Achilles tendon wasn't a big accident after all and it didn't affect his development in a lot of ways? Also, you do happen to remember how Chipchura's was ranked by the different agencies, by HF who described him as "Chipchura has a good scoring touch and isn't afraid to mix it up, tallying 118 PIM. Chipchura is said to be inconsistent, but he is the tough, gritty player full of character that the Isles need in the future." (Isles 'cause they projected him to go 16 at that time....)

The fact that Timmins might have make a mistake is obviously not in play here. It's your obsession with Chipchura that is. I was known as being really hard on White just in order to say that I just don't think he could go further in better leagues. But I will be the first to come here and say how wrong I was if he does.Will you do it as far as Chiphcura is concerned? Or will you end up by saying that even though he finally reached the NHL, other players have reached the NHL sooner making them better players 'cause it's a well-known fact that whoever reaches the NHL first, are automatically better players than others.

And again, like me for White but I did understand thanks to my buddy from Calgary..., we CLEARLY know that you hate the kid with passion. The message is through. We ALL know that if he never makes it, you were right, you knew it from the start, you are better than Timmins. We know it and clearly you're making those posts just for that, you're so sure of yourself that you want us to remember that it was you who hated the kid in the first place. We ALL know that, people have put you in their ignore lists just because they know that.

Time to prove now that you have other things to discuss than Chipchura's ups and downs.....Can you do it?


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Time to prove now that you have other things to discuss than Chipchura's ups and downs.....Can you do it?
I'd like to point out that in response to this question... Christopher Higgins, and Sergei Kostitsyn should not count.... anyone else on the team is fair game... but we know Erika's feelings on them too.

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Hi my name is Kyle Chipchura but my friends call me Yo-yo.

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Hi my name is Kyle Chipchura but my friends call me Yo-yo.
Hello Kyle, I just hope you dont listen to the poster who keeps destroying you


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I've said it before and I'll say it again...

sure Chipchura's high end potential is a third liner... but not your average third liner...

i'm talking max potential to be like a Guy Carbonneau or a Bob Gainey.

I still say that is more valuable than drafting a guy with offensive skills whose max potential is to be a 60 pt NHL player.
I agree. He's going to have a great career.

I just hope its with us. Chipchura is at that 'make it or break it' stage in his career with Montreal. He needs to be getting some playing time with this team or I can see him being dealt. The Habs have some players from later drafts who have leapfrogged him into the lineup.

I'd really like to see them start giving him some icetime soon.

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