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10-23-2008, 02:47 PM
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That line hasn't really been clicking lately anyways, guys...

The chances they get have tended to come off of individual efforts, rather than teamwork. I'm not sure that it's all that effective at this point

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Horrible decision. We're ****ed. Just break our one line that clicks. Good ****, eh?
Technically they lost 2 in a row even though 1 was a shootout point

SO I am cool with this as in reality it was Dubi and Voros getting most of the points

Naslund and Drury need to be woken up and having Zherdev could do that

I think the lines are messed up right now BUT and you can all laugh if you want but Mats Sundin may be a option in a month

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10-23-2008, 02:50 PM
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Technically they lost 2 in a row even though 1 was a shootout point

SO I am cool with this as in reality it was Dubi and Voros getting most of the points

Naslund and Drury need to be woken up and having Zherdev could do that

I think the lines are messed up right now BUT and you can all laugh if you want but Mats Sundin may be a option in a month
I'm still unsure how the Rangers would clear enough cap space, unless Sundin is going to take a big paycut. Even trading Prucha and Fritsche doesn't really result in enough cap space to sign someone like Sundin if he doesn't take a cut

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10-23-2008, 02:58 PM
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Why is that a horrible message. Both players have absolutely looked like crap. Renney had no problem benching Nylander 2 or three years ago. he should bench these two as well. i don't care if Drury is the captain or Naslund is an Alternate. Hold players responsible for their poor play. he has no problem benching prucha, dawes, or Korps.
Priceless.

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10-23-2008, 02:59 PM
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Dubinsky's line was pretty spotty lately anyways. Honestly, beyond a few games, I've been fairly underwhelmed by the forwards so far. I don't mind shaking things up a bit, but this all really hinges on Naslund and Drury not sucking anymore, and Zherdev getting more creative and scoring some goals
Agreed wholeheartedly.

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10-23-2008, 03:02 PM
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Rags...

I don't disagree about benching Naslund. Benching Drury is not the message you want to send. It would be a wake-up call to everyone, but at the same time, it's not what you do to your captain and his earned the right to work out of his slump. Further, often you bench someone not just because they haven't scored, but because they're not doing any of the other things out there. I wouldn't say Drury's dogging it. Naslund, I'm not too sure about.

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Great, let's break up the only line that actually works.

If this "experiment' fails, I'd say a trade is 100% needed.
can we trade a coach?

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10-23-2008, 03:02 PM
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Let's not...

go crazy here with the end of the world stuff. Yeah, he's breaking up the one line that has been working, but honestly, you're the coach, what's your plan for getting the other lines going, or do you sit back and hope Voros scores 40 goals this season and Dubi gets 85 points? I think we all agree that the team cannot rely on that one line this entire season. I think many will agree that sitting back and keeping the lines static in hopes that Drury, Naslund, Gomez and others wake up at even strength may not be the best option either. So what's the alternative?

I may not be ecstatic about his choices for line combos in breaking that line up, and I'm never much of a fan of Renney's choices of lines, but I fully support his thinking.

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can we trade a coach?
Nope.


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Not a fan. How about just scratching Drury and Naslund for a game so they wake up.
BINGO.

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Horrible decision. We're ****ed. Just break our one line that clicks. Good ****, eh?
Oh calm down. You're just mad you're going to have to change your user name again.

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go crazy here with the end of the world stuff. Yeah, he's breaking up the one line that has been working, but honestly, you're the coach, what's your plan for getting the other lines going, or do you sit back and hope Voros scores 40 goals this season and Dubi gets 85 points? I think we all agree that the team cannot rely on that one line this entire season. I think many will agree that sitting back and keeping the lines static in hopes that Drury, Naslund, Gomez and others wake up at even strength may not be the best option either. So what's the alternative?

I may not be ecstatic about his choices for line combos in breaking that line up, and I'm never much of a fan of Renney's choices of lines, but I fully support his thinking.

why not go back to one of the combos that worked last year.

Keep Voros-Dubi-Zherdev together.
put Dawes-Drury-Cally back to gether
than use naslund-Gomez-Korps toghether and hope that that works.

keep 4th line the same.

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10-23-2008, 03:12 PM
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You mean the top 3 lines should all get the same amount of time or do you really think SJO-Betts and Orr should get the same amount of time on the ice as Dubi's line or any of the other ones for that matter.
I think they should roll 4 lines period. 45-60 second shifts and roll them. Just keep rolling them and keep attacking, we wear down the opposition and boom score a goal.

We boast one of the best conditioned teams in the league....well then show it!!!

ITs easy and its been what Renney has been wanting to do...so do it already.

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10-23-2008, 03:14 PM
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I don't disagree about benching Naslund. Benching Drury is not the message you want to send. It would be a wake-up call to everyone, but at the same time, it's not what you do to your captain and his earned the right to work out of his slump. Further, often you bench someone not just because they haven't scored, but because they're not doing any of the other things out there. I wouldn't say Drury's dogging it. Naslund, I'm not too sure about.
he has been slumping since last april. not a good playoffs, not a good start, his defense has slumped, his scoring is non existent. send him a message. In fact I think it would be a good message to the entire team. EVERYBODY is held accountable no matter who.

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Why am I not surprised that during this 3 day off that he would have changed lines?

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Why am I not surprised that during this 3 day off that he would have changed lines?
Haha that is a great point. He could have done it earlier and seen how they play together longer instead of the one practice.

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How about

Orr-Betts-Lundqvist as our #1 line

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Oh calm down. You're just mad you're going to have to change your user name again.


A couple of months to go After thinking about it, I believe this is for the best. Drury is more of a setup man than Dubinsky, who cycles and controls the puck more thus giving Zherdev no time with the puck.

If it works, I believe Naslund-Drury-Zherdev will be a 1-2-PUNCH.

Other than that, the only real problem I am having with this change is Dubinsky being put out of the top-6. I am happy, though, that he kept Voros on his line as that scrappy player. So we can now say that, the 3rd line RW position is open. Who will win it: Fritsche, Prucha, or Korpikoski? I don't want to mess with the "first line" yet since it seems as if it is the perfect combination of speed, grit, and skill.

Just my two cents.

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10-23-2008, 03:43 PM
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Why the hell not. Nobody's scoring now anyway and it's not even a month into the season.

You're going to have times when players will click for a certain period of time, but how often does that chemistry really last for an extended period of time?

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That line hasn't really been clicking lately anyways, guys...

The chances they get have tended to come off of individual efforts, rather than teamwork. I'm not sure that it's all that effective at this point
They didn't score in the Dallas game, so now they haven't been clicking? Did you watch the Detroit game? That line was the best line on the ice for both teams.

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Why the hell not. Nobody's scoring now anyway and it's not even a month into the season.

You're going to have times when players will click for a certain period of time, but how often does that chemistry really last for an extended period of time?
Actually the only line that is scoring is Voros-Dubi-Zherdev IMO.

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I hate cally being on Gomer's wing. Gomez needs to be with Dawes, with whom he has more chemistry than anyone else, and Drury, Naslund, or Z. Gomez is a PLAYMAKER, he needs guys on his line to finish chances that he sets up for them. Out of the three choices, Zherdev makes the least sense for the simple fact that they both like to carry the puck through the neutral zone and Z can make his own space. Z needs to be playing with Drury, or Dubinsky.

Dawes-Gomez-_____
-Zherdev

The fourth line needs not be touched. Orr is our only real physical forward presence and a legit heavyweight, without our forwards get pummeled, Betts is a perfect fourth line center, and sjoo has speed and tremendous fore-check ability.

Dawes-Gomez-_____
-Zherdev

Sjoo-Betts-Orr

Drury has shown some Chemistry with Gomez but would also be the right type of center for Zherdev IMO. And voros' success has been directly related to playing with Dubi, until he gives a reason not to, he should be playing with him.

Dawes-Gomez-Drury/Naslund
Voros-Dubi/Drury-Zherdev

If the goal of this whole thing is to create a lineup with chemistry, why take away the only chemsitry this team has had so far. Sure there is a chance two lines start rolling instead of one, and there is just as likely a chance that no lines click and our offense gets worse. If the second line remains the same, there are plenty of other forward combos that could potentially reap this team some rewards.

Dawes-Gomez-Drury/Naslund
Voros - Dubi - Zherdev

Sjoo - Betts - Orr

This leaves the third line as the issue, as I'd guarantee if gomez was allowed to keep the same line mates for a few game period, chemistry will develop. He's a fantastic playmaker, once he knows his linemates tendencies he'll find them.

If korpikoski is gonna be with the big club, he needs to play. Scratching him does nothing. He looked great in preseason, granted this isn't preseason but a little patience and I think he'll adjust he's done nothing to give us reason to think otherwise. The final spot on the third line is the real question mark. There are three guys fighting for it, no one is stepping up. If someone eventual does, great, if not we need to pull of a quantity for quality type trade.

Dawes-Gomez-Drury
Voros-Dubinsky-Zherdev
Naslund-Korp-Cally/Prucha/Fritsche
Sjoo-Betts-Orr

This lineup takes advantage of the areas where the most chemistry has been shown thus far. That's where we should start and build from there. IF we actually kept the same lineup together for 5 games or so and they started to click, this would a 3 line deep offensive team with a fourth line that does exactly what you want out of a fourth line.

For those of you who think Z has been absent on the second line, and want him with Gomez, I think
Dawes-Gomez-Zherdev
Voros-Dubi-Drury
ETC.
could also work, if you are along those lines of thinking.

And finally for those of you that want to run three centers deep:
Dawes-Gomez-Naslund
Voros-Dubi-Z
Korp/Drury-Drury/Korp-Cally/Pru/Fritsche
Fourth Line

These three possibilities are our best bet, and all variations keep players in roles that are for the most part their strengths. No matter what, we need to pick one and stay with it for a few games

On a side note, I agree that Fritsche is on his way out. It just doesn't seem to be working here.
Referring to your first sentence. Put Dawes on the left and Prucha to Gomez's right and watch a lot of scoring get done.

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Actually the only line that is scoring is Voros-Dubi-Zherdev IMO.
Yeah but maybe by spreading out the three forwards who actually have been scoring goals, that will create more offense on more lines instead of just getting everything from one line.

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They didn't score in the Dallas game, so now they haven't been clicking? Did you watch the Detroit game? That line was the best line on the ice for both teams.
IMO.
Yeah I did. They looked like the rest of the team until Voros managed to score two goals by being in front of the net.

Zherdev is still the invisible man on that line at this point. Not for lack of effort, he's trying, but he needs to be scoring and he really doesn't seem to be working well there at this point.

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Yeah I did. They looked like the rest of the team until Voros managed to score two goals by being in front of the net.

Zherdev is still the invisible man on that line at this point. Not for lack of effort, he's trying, but he needs to be scoring and he really doesn't seem to be working well there at this point.
I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that he is too nervous to try and dangle. Remember the article when he said he doesn't understand why Ranger fans boo there players? Maybe he doesn't want to be boo'd if he screws up. He has shown great defensive effort. I don't see how you think he has been invisible, but that's your opinion and I respect that.

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Eh, I'd rather have Gomez with Zherdev and Naslund if Renney's going to tinker. At least Gomez and Zherdev.
I've been wanting to see this line too....I really don't understand the naslund drury zherdev line at all.

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