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10-26-2008, 02:48 AM
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This team needs a solid, two-way defenseman. If Florida would let J-Bo go for Lupul or something along those lines, fine. Otherwise, someone similar to Dennis Wideman/Sami Salo would be a nice pick up.

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10-26-2008, 09:20 AM
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There's a place on Ludlow where you can get some immediate relief for like $80. Tell 'em merc sent you; you'll get the full pampering package.

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10-26-2008, 11:01 AM
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Otherwise, someone similar to Dennis Wideman/Sami Salo would be a nice pick up.
Salo has a NTC in his contract, but assuming he were willing to waive it(I think he's friends with Timonen so who knows?) what would the Flyers offer?

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10-26-2008, 11:15 AM
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Salo has a NTC in his contract, but assuming he were willing to waive it(I think he's friends with Timonen so who knows?) what would the Flyers offer?
I'd rather Bieksa

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10-26-2008, 11:53 AM
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This team needs a solid, two-way defenseman. If Florida would let J-Bo go for Lupul or something along those lines, fine. Otherwise, someone similar to Dennis Wideman/Sami Salo would be a nice pick up.
Wideman would been a fine pick up, but the time to have gotten him was last season.

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10-26-2008, 11:59 AM
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I agree, Wideman isn't going anywhere, and Salo took less to stay in Van. Now is the time to get Bieksa though. He'll cost a bit, but I think he can be had for some offense.

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10-26-2008, 12:50 PM
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have we traded/acquired any picks for this year

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10-26-2008, 01:26 PM
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I'd move Downie right now before Nodl. Nodl has shown just about everything you can possibly show so far without putting up points.

Barker has very good potential and he's still very young so he's CERTAINLY not a bust. BUT he is still a question mark just like Eminger, Parent, and Sbisa as far as reliability goes and I don't thin adding another question mark helps our situation.
I agree 100% As popular as Downie is, he still makes poor decisions on the ice and I just don't see him finding a regular spot on the roster. He still has good potential, and maybe a change of scenery would give him a better chance to realize it.

If a Downie for Barker type trade could be worked out, I'd definitely do it.

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10-26-2008, 01:34 PM
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I agree 100% As popular as Downie is, he still makes poor decisions on the ice and I just don't see him finding a regular spot on the roster. He still has good potential, and maybe a change of scenery would give him a better chance to realize it.

If a Downie for Barker type trade could be worked out, I'd definitely do it.
Nodl has higher trading value then Downie. He is faster, has done well in his time in the NHL, and, like it or not, downie has a bad reputation. Downie will not bring back the value that Nodl can IMO

Timmonen-Coburn
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will be fine once they are healthy. We have 7 legit NHL d-men but with 2 hurt, we have freeaking alberts in, which has really hurt us

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10-26-2008, 01:43 PM
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Nodl has higher trading value then Downie. He is faster, has done well in his time in the NHL, and, like it or not, downie has a bad reputation. Downie will not bring back the value that Nodl can IMO
I disagree. Nodl doesnt have much value as he lacks upside (its more likely 40 pts max, up&down winger) . Downie has untapped upside which could be a slower version of Brendan Morrow. Downie has much more trade value IMO. Just due to the supply of the respective talents. Guys like Nodl are a dime a dozen.

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10-26-2008, 02:19 PM
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have we traded/acquired any picks for this year
We own seven picks:

Flyers' 1st
Calgary's 3rd (Vandermeer) or Tampa's 4th (Prospal) - depends on re-signing Alberts
Flyers' 5th
Flyers' 6th
Tampa's 6th (Niskala)
Anaheim's 7th ('08 7th)
Dallas' 7th (Timonen).

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I'd rather Bieksa
He'd probably cost a lot more too. At this point, if I were Gillis I'd hang onto Bieksa for anything short of an overpayment. He's been pretty solid and looks to be back to his 06/07 form. Hopefully his value is starting to rise again. Not sure if the two teams are great trading partners though as the Canucks seem to want to add a solid center and we all know the Flyers don't want to move Carter. Don't think there would be too much interest at this point with a Hartnell/Lupul for Bieksa swap.

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10-26-2008, 02:41 PM
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I disagree. Nodl doesnt have much value as he lacks upside (its more likely 40 pts max, up&down winger) . Downie has untapped upside which could be a slower version of Brendan Morrow. Downie has much more trade value IMO. Just due to the supply of the respective talents. Guys like Nodl are a dime a dozen.
I still think that Downies reputation will hurt his trade value to a point where he would be more valuable to us then he is to another team where as Nodl does not have any factors such as that so his value is the same for other teams as it is to us. Does that make sense or is it just me??

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10-26-2008, 03:15 PM
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I still think that Downies reputation will hurt his trade value to a point where he would be more valuable to us then he is to another team where as Nodl does not have any factors such as that so his value is the same for other teams as it is to us. Does that make sense or is it just me??
I think I know what you mean but Im sure there are at least 10 teams that would jump at Downie regardless of the bad penalties (a lot of young guys like him are like that). Nodl would likely be able to fit on most teams but would not garner as much.

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He'd probably cost a lot more too. At this point, if I were Gillis I'd hang onto Bieksa for anything short of an overpayment. He's been pretty solid and looks to be back to his 06/07 form. Hopefully his value is starting to rise again. Not sure if the two teams are great trading partners though as the Canucks seem to want to add a solid center and we all know the Flyers don't want to move Carter. Don't think there would be too much interest at this point with a Hartnell/Lupul for Bieksa swap.
Carter for Bieska certainly would be an overpayment.

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10-26-2008, 04:57 PM
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what happened to our second

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10-26-2008, 05:03 PM
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* The Philadelphia Flyers' second round pick will go to the Tampa Bay Lightning as the result of a trade on February 25, 2008 that sent Alexandre Picard and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade) to Tampa Bay in exchange for Vaclav Prospal. The condition - Philadelphia reaches the Eastern Conference Finals 2008 - was verified on May 3, 2008.
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I'd rather Bieksa
Neither one can seem to stay healthy.

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I disagree. Nodl doesnt have much value as he lacks upside (its more likely 40 pts max, up&down winger) . Downie has untapped upside which could be a slower version of Brendan Morrow. Downie has much more trade value IMO. Just due to the supply of the respective talents. Guys like Nodl are a dime a dozen.
Nodl has more than 40pt upside. Easily.

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10-26-2008, 06:52 PM
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Nodl has more than 40pt upside. Easily.
based om 2 games?

Nodl has more upside then Upshall? Right now? Easily?

It took Richards Carter Umberger 3 years to rich over 40pts. Nodl easily over 40pts?

Flyers fans..

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10-26-2008, 07:00 PM
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Went to TB on the condition that the Flyers reached the ECF in the Prospal deal.

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based om 2 games?

Nodl has more upside then Upshall? Right now? Easily?

It took Richards Carter Umberger 3 years to rich over 40pts. Nodl easily over 40pts?

Flyers fans..
Yeah, it's not easily at all. It's possible, of course, but not easily.

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I think Nodl definitly has more than 40 point upside. But hes the kind of player who has a very small chance of hitting his ceiling.

Downie has a upside of like 50 points but has a way better chance of actually hitting his ceiling than Nodl

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Yeah, it's not easily at all. It's possible, of course, but not easily.
Downie will be a PPG player in AHL if not already, he will rack those points and penalty minutes in no time. Give him 2-3 weeks, his knee will get better. Playing on 4th line with Cote and Asham is not easy. Downie needs minutes at least 10 minutes per game to be productive on NHL level.


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based om 2 games?

Nodl has more upside then Upshall? Right now? Easily?

It took Richards Carter Umberger 3 years to rich over 40pts. Nodl easily over 40pts?

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UPSIDE!

Which means at some point in his career I definitely seeing him break 40. And no not just based on these two games but also on what I've seen from him in the past.

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