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10-30-2008, 07:21 PM
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The OHL has banned hits to the head, I would like to know how it is working out.

So far as I can tell, there are still good hits, and fights. Sounds good to me.
It is a bit amazing that all the players who had a 20+ games suspensions for "attempt to injure" are from OHL (Bertuzzi, McSorley, Downie, Simon, Hunter and etc).

No explanation, sorry.

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10-30-2008, 07:27 PM
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It is a bit amazing that all the players who had a 20+ games suspensions for "attempt to injure" are from OHL (Bertuzzi, McSorley, Downie, Simon, Hunter and etc).

No explanation, sorry.
UMMMM this rule just started this year....

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10-30-2008, 09:48 PM
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I am concerned by a lot of things I observe. I don't feel real good about seeing parents who I know very well aren't 'tough guys' swelling with pride when junior blindsides someone, but I don't think human nature can be regulated to a great extent.

I like GME's angle. Sure, penalize dangerous plays within whatever defeinition is agreed on from the youngest levels up, but if something environmental can be done to improve safety, take advantage of it.
Without question human nature cannot be regulated. So the shift I mentioned is purely ideologic. But the good news is that the players who have chosen not to go for the "killshot" will continue to demure and in this regard the intransigence of human nature is a good thing. I certainly don't have the answer. I'm just stuck on the question "what is the intent behind a head shot?"

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I loved Bettman's commentary. He sees it as following the rules. Also, he says the league is wary of changing the rules

translation: We like the interest that the big hit creates for fans who like to see mayhem and brains scrambled

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You can't ban hits to the head, because the game moves so fast nowadays that the difference between a hit to the head and a hit to the chest is a fraction of a second; in addition to that, the disparity in height between players is larger now, so taller players like Chara can't help but end up hitting smaller guys high. You can severely penalize hits that target the head, like flagrant elbows (which is what the OHL has done), but cracking down on every hit that grazes one's melon will lead to no more hitting being done at all.

I feel that the problem could be remedied by doing something that would make players think twice before throwing a huge hit. Perhaps the threat of being pounded into the ice by some massive enforcer would dissuade them?

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10-31-2008, 06:57 AM
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You can't ban hits to the head, because the game moves so fast nowadays that the difference between a hit to the head and a hit to the chest is a fraction of a second; in addition to that, the disparity in height between players is larger now, so taller players like Chara can't help but end up hitting smaller guys high. You can severely penalize hits that target the head, like flagrant elbows (which is what the OHL has done), but cracking down on every hit that grazes one's melon will lead to no more hitting being done at all.

I feel that the problem could be remedied by doing something that would make players think twice before throwing a huge hit. Perhaps the threat of being pounded into the ice by some massive enforcer would dissuade them?
I agree with a lot of what you say is I don't believe deep down that a lot of these hits are imtentional, strictly in terms of headshots. I think that there's an issue with the willingness involved to give the big hit.

Last night, Mtl-Minny, a relatively tame game, hits, but take out hits mainly, A.Kost. was in the corner in his own zone, whether he stumled, fumbled with the puck I'm not sure but he went down low. A Minny player was skating to the point ahead of him where th eplay seemed to be going, and when AK got into a vulnerable position, he hammered him. I don't think the guy had much intention to hit him until he saw him get caught like that.

That's he intention that bothers me. It was a quick play and I admit I may have mis-read it, but it's the type of play that imo is the root of the issues we've been talking about.

As to your last paragraph, Craig Button was on OTR, they were talking about Ruutuu/Avery type players and he was of the opinion that like in the 50's, a good stick in the teeth would discourage them. Well maybe it worked then. Maybe a Red Storey would let players get even. The reason I disagree with you is that the stakes are so high in terms of financial security, you'll see an endless supply of players willing to be a holes.

Purely on a revenge instinct, I have as much bllod lust as anyone else, but I don't think it's a deterrent. I hear Cherry expressing this opiniuon and I just don't believe that he understands what players are willing to do to make and stay in the league.

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You can't ban hits to the head, because the game moves so fast nowadays that the difference between a hit to the head and a hit to the chest is a fraction of a second; in addition to that, the disparity in height between players is larger now, so taller players like Chara can't help but end up hitting smaller guys high. You can severely penalize hits that target the head, like flagrant elbows (which is what the OHL has done), but cracking down on every hit that grazes one's melon will lead to no more hitting being done at all.

I feel that the problem could be remedied by doing something that would make players think twice before throwing a huge hit. Perhaps the threat of being pounded into the ice by some massive enforcer would dissuade them?
Hasn't worked for the past, oh, 100 years.

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Hasn't worked for the past, oh, 100 years.
Careful, we're perilously close to the capital punishment debate. [He ducks as Mods ears perk up]

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Careful, we're perilously close to the capital punishment debate. [He ducks as Mods ears perk up]
I doubt even that would work.

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