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11-04-2008, 05:00 AM
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Okay, so we sign Shanahan.

We trade Lupul + 1st + Marshall for J-Bo (Steep?)

Gagne - Briere - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Shanahan
Upshall - Richards - Downie
Upshall-Richards-Downie?

Why don't we just stick Metropolit on the first line for crying out loud

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11-04-2008, 07:22 AM
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Shanahan is one of my favorite players and id love to have him on the team. That jersey would look great.

That being said i dont think we need him. However i would still be very happy about the signing.

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11-04-2008, 07:40 AM
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i doubt this happens... seems like homer's just kicking the tires. i'd be for it if we can somehow make it work. i think Nodl is more an AHL player at this point, though i like his potential.

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11-04-2008, 07:47 AM
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i doubt this happens... seems like homer's just kicking the tires. i'd be for it if we can somehow make it work. i think Nodl is more an AHL player at this point, though i like his potential.
If Knuble (+) landed us a decent defenseman to shore up the back end, and free some cap room...and 'if' Shanny were willing to sign for 1 million, then I'd be all over it.

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11-04-2008, 08:08 AM
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The guys got gas left in his tank trust me. If you give him PP and 18 min a night he ll get you 70 points. He's much like a Sakic, Selanne type player. No matter how old he gets he'll still produce plenty, given a offensive role.
False. Hes not like Sakic or Selanne at all. He might still have some left in the tank but its not even close.

This year and the 3 previous seasons...
Selanne- 219 points in 201 games (1.09 ppg)
Sakic- 239 points in 220 games (1.09 ppg)
Shanahan- 189 points in 222 games... (.85 ppg)

And thats giving Shanny the benefit of the doubt of his good season 3 years ago. While Selanne and Sakic are both averaging well over a PPG average over the last 4 years Shanny hasnt scored a ppg since 1999-2000.

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11-04-2008, 08:27 AM
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Signing Shanny and moving Knuble sound fairly lateral to me. Also, my girl used to have a crush on him, so I'd prefer not.

Also, I wanted to show off my awesome new avatar.

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11-04-2008, 08:39 AM
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Upshall-Richards-Downie?

Why don't we just stick Metropolit on the first line for crying out loud
We did.
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False. Hes not like Sakic or Selanne at all. He might still have some left in the tank but its not even close.

This year and the 3 previous seasons...
Selanne- 219 points in 201 games (1.09 ppg)
Sakic- 239 points in 220 games (1.09 ppg)
Shanahan- 189 points in 222 games... (.85 ppg)

And thats giving Shanny the benefit of the doubt of his good season 3 years ago. While Selanne and Sakic are both averaging well over a PPG average over the last 4 years Shanny hasnt scored a ppg since 1999-2000.
So .85PPG for about 700K is somehow bad?

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11-04-2008, 09:15 AM
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Okay, so we sign Shanahan.

We trade Lupul + 1st + Marshall for J-Bo (Steep?)

Gagne - Briere - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Shanahan
Upshall - Richards - Downie
Switch Harts and Upshall.

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11-04-2008, 09:22 AM
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So .85PPG for about 700K is somehow bad?
Who said he was signing for 700k? When did I said say signing him would be a bad idea, especially at 700k?

All I said was comparing him to sakic who is 1 year removed from a 100 point season and selanne who is 1 year removed from a 90+ point season is a little crazy especially since Shanny had 46 points last year and hasnt scored a ppg in a long time while those 2 not only have scored a ppg but they AVERAGE a ppg over the past 3-4 years.

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11-04-2008, 10:00 AM
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We did.

I'll have to use the sarcasm emote next time, the wink didn't seem to do the trick.

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I just read that Vaananen is day-to-day with an "upper-body injury." Unless Shanahan plays D or we make a move, I don't see him playing for the Flyers right now. Just keep him off a division rival.

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11-04-2008, 11:41 AM
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I just read that Vaananen is day-to-day with an "upper-body injury." Unless Shanahan plays D or we make a move, I don't see him playing for the Flyers right now. Just keep him off a division rival.
Well since his top three choices appear to be the Rangers, Flyers, and Penguins that could be difficult.

I really don't think we need him. He doesn't bring much to the table that we don't have already and we need defensive help, not another winger. Unless this is a precursor to a move that brings in a defender, I don't see the point.

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11-04-2008, 12:15 PM
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False. Hes not like Sakic or Selanne at all. He might still have some left in the tank but its not even close.

This year and the 3 previous seasons...
Selanne- 219 points in 201 games (1.09 ppg)
Sakic- 239 points in 220 games (1.09 ppg)
Shanahan- 189 points in 222 games... (.85 ppg)

And thats giving Shanny the benefit of the doubt of his good season 3 years ago. While Selanne and Sakic are both averaging well over a PPG average over the last 4 years Shanny hasnt scored a ppg since 1999-2000.
ya this guys in dream land. .85 would be the best on our team for the last three seasons and for under a mill? It's an absolute robery

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11-04-2008, 12:34 PM
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I share the same sentiment as many others. If we can sign Shanny to something very cheap and trade some forward depth for defense depth we essentially relocate some money from forward to D and make a lateral move (more or less) offensively with Shanahan. We would clearly need to trade some forwards for the cap space and to shed some contracts. Next year, Shanny leaves and is replaced by JVR or Giroux.

It's hard to not like this IMO. The only possible negative is the value of intangibles. How would he fit in? How would the people getting shipped out affect the locker room?

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11-04-2008, 12:44 PM
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ya this guys in dream land. .85 would be the best on our team for the last three seasons and for under a mill? It's an absolute robery
just because the Flyers have 700k available doesnt mean thats what he wants to get paid first of all. Second, I never said he wasnt a good player but to put him in a class with other aging players like sakic and Selanne is ridiculous. Those two are still first line players while Shanny would be a 3rd liner here. He put up 46 points last year. Hes nowhere near as good as sakic or selanne.

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11-04-2008, 01:36 PM
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If Knuble (+) landed us a decent defenseman to shore up the back end, and free some cap room...and 'if' Shanny were willing to sign for 1 million, then I'd be all over it.
I wouldn't even trade Knuble if you can make the salary work within our existing structure, at least until we see how the defense looks with Jones/Parent. Going into the playoffs with a healthy top 9 of the following looks pretty tempting:

Gagne Briere Knuble
Hartnell Richards Lupul
Shanahan Carter Upshall

There's no real weakness there. You can play with it as you like, but that makes my mouth water, even if Shanny is washed up a bit. He's still going to score some goals and brings a lot of intangibles that we need that Nodl or Downie don't have at this point in their careers.

But, if the salary doesn't work, then obviously you have to do something.

I think I'm starting to feel that Knuble is still a valuable member of this team. We've already lost a lot of veteran leadership, he's a great guy in the room/with the media, and he's scoring like he usually does. He had a slow start and at times looks awful at even strength, but he still has a place on special teams and always works well with Gagne.

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Yeah I highly doubt that Knuble is going anywhere.

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According to Glen Macnow, Shanahan is signing either here or with Pittsburgh, and needs a week to 10 days to decide.

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According to Glen Macnow, Shanahan is signing either here or with Pittsburgh, and needs a week to 10 days to decide.
Wow. If that's true, I wonder how much the Flyers offered him. Even if it's under $2 Million, someone's got to go.

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according to nhlnumbers.com Pittsburgh is sitting at approx 56.1 in team salary. so Philly and Pitt are both in the same boat. Both will have to be creative to fit him in.

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according to nhlnumbers.com Pittsburgh is sitting at approx 56.1 in team salary. so Philly and Pitt are both in the same boat. Both will have to be creative to fit him in.
Given the options, I would rather him here than there.

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Wow. If that's true, I wonder how much the Flyers offered him. Even if it's under $2 Million, someone's got to go.
Yea, a top 9 winger (with salary) would need to go. It won't be Gagne, so that leaves:

Hartnell: he makes big money but he brings things to to the table that no one else does and he is signed for several more years. I wouldn't object to moving him but he isn't the best choice.

Upshall: he probably has pretty good value, due to being young, cheap, and playing very very well. He is also very valuable to us for those same reasons. I think he has played too well (and like Hartnell brings something not many others do) to move him.

Knuble: makes solid money, so it would clear some room; but he again seems to be proving doubters wrong by putting up good numbers. I think he might be fairly easy to replace in terms of play but I do worry that he has intangibles that would be missed.

Lupul: also makes solid money and an even bigger contract kicks in next year. He's a bit streaky; but I think he does have value around the league. With the re-emergence of Gagne he may not be necessary.

That said I think it needs to be Knuble or Lupul.

It's a tough call.

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Yea, a top 9 winger (with salary) would need to go. It won't be Gagne, so that leaves:

Hartnell: he makes big money but he brings things to to the table that no one else does and he is signed for several more years. I wouldn't object to moving him but he isn't the best choice.

Upshall: he probably has pretty good value, due to being young, cheap, and playing very very well. He is also very valuable to us for those same reasons. I think he has played too well (and like Hartnell brings something not many others do) to move him.

Knuble: makes solid money, so it would clear some room; but he again seems to be proving doubters wrong by putting up good numbers. I think he might be fairly easy to replace in terms of play but I do worry that he has intangibles that would be missed.

Lupul: also makes solid money and an even bigger contract kicks in next year. He's a bit streaky; but I think he does have value around the league. With the re-emergence of Gagne he may not be necessary.

That said I think it needs to be Knuble or Lupul.

It's a tough call.
Hartnell. Just because he brings somethign to the table that nobody else does doesnt mean he is earning his paycheck. If we could move him Id ship him out in a second. Not that I dont like him but shanahan plays somewhat of a similar game but doesnt take retarded penalties and will score more. After this year if shanny is gone we could find someone that is a hartnell type but for much less money.

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Hartnell. Just because he brings somethign to the table that nobody else does doesnt mean he is earning his paycheck. If we could move him Id ship him out in a second. Not that I dont like him but shanahan plays somewhat of a similar game but doesnt take retarded penalties and will score more. After this year if shanny is gone we could find someone that is a hartnell type but for much less money.
Yeah, like who?

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Hartnell. Just because he brings somethign to the table that nobody else does doesnt mean he is earning his paycheck. If we could move him Id ship him out in a second. Not that I dont like him but shanahan plays somewhat of a similar game but doesnt take retarded penalties and will score more. After this year if shanny is gone we could find someone that is a hartnell type but for much less money.
I think Hartnell is earning his paycheck. Maybe he is slightly overpaid but that's what happens when you get a FA usually. I have no problem with his salary.

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