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11-04-2008, 01:08 PM
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Habs, rebounds, and crease-crashing

A heads up for an interesting blog post. This should be interesting reading especially for those people who believe Montreal doesn't do enough fishing for rebounds, as well as those who espouse the "didn't-go-to-the-net-enough" theory of the Habs' playoff exit and believe it has carried through this season:

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...ease_crashers/

The notion that the Habs are purely playing on the perimeter is a trifle outdated, and it's good to see statistics demonstrating that.

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A heads up for an interesting blog post. This should be interesting reading especially for those people who believe Montreal doesn't do enough fishing for rebounds, as well as those who espouse the "didn't-go-to-the-net-enough" theory of the Habs' playoff exit and believe it has carried through this season:

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...ease_crashers/

The notion that the Habs are purely playing on the perimeter is a trifle outdated, and it's good to see statistics demonstrating that.
People get mis-conceptions about goals scored from close in, they assume that the big guys get them all, when Koivu and Plekanec are both excellent in tight.

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A heads up for an interesting blog post. This should be interesting reading especially for those people who believe Montreal doesn't do enough fishing for rebounds, as well as those who espouse the "didn't-go-to-the-net-enough" theory of the Habs' playoff exit and believe it has carried through this season:

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...ease_crashers/

The notion that the Habs are purely playing on the perimeter is a trifle outdated, and it's good to see statistics demonstrating that.
This should be posted on the Ruins board. They always come-up with the pathetic "Habs are soft and only a team that plays the perimeter".

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People get mis-conceptions about goals scored from close in, they assume that the big guys get them all, when Koivu and Plekanec are both excellent in tight.
Second on that Koivu point. He rarely scores from more than 10 feet away.

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Second on that Koivu point. He rarely scores from more than 10 feet away.
Partly because his hot might not break a pane of glass. I wonder about that. He could snap the puck when he came into the league, but seemed to lose that ability early on. He compensates but I've awlays wondered why.

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This should be posted on the Ruins board. They always come-up with the pathetic "Habs are soft and only a team that plays the perimeter".
I'm sure that would only result in a bunch of "grow a pair" or "grow a set" comments, some Lucic praising and inevitably a "USA, USA, USA!!!" chant.

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11-04-2008, 02:11 PM
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Habs have finally started playing the new tendency; they now send 2 guys to the net instead of playing the standard triangle when entering the offensive zone.
They have the speed to do it.

Puck carrier enters the zone along the board and usually slows down while F2 and F3 "crash" (go to) the net for deflection/rebound. They allow the Ds to jump in the play, so the "onside" D is there to "complete" the triangle...

We're seeing more and mor eof those square offense vs the original trainagle offense. You have 1 more passing option and it's putting a lot of pressure on the opponents. 1 thing I particularly like about this new offensive concept is that the opponents really have to backcheck hard otherwise they're allowing a 2 on 1 either in front of the net or on the puck side along the board.

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Habs have finally started playing the new tendency; they now send 2 guys to the net instead of playing the standard triangle when entering the offensive zone.
They have the speed to do it.

Puck carrier enters the zone along the board and usually slows down while F2 and F3 "crash" (go to) the net for deflection/rebound. They allow the Ds to jump in the play, so the "onside" D is there to "complete" the triangle...

We're seeing more and mor eof those square offense vs the original trainagle offense. You have 1 more passing option and it's putting a lot of pressure on the opponents. 1 thing I particularly like about this new offensive concept is that the opponents really have to backcheck hard otherwise they're allowing a 2 on 1 either in front of the net or on the puck side along the board.
so, I'd think that makes a lot of sense for the makeup of the team, as they have about 7 forwards with the vision to pick out options that a lot of players don't see.

Does this account for a few more 2 on 1's against than normal, maybe some mis-reads ?

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Partly because his hot might not break a pane of glass. I wonder about that. He could snap the puck when he came into the league, but seemed to lose that ability early on. He compensates but I've awlays wondered why.
I guess I shouldn't be going there but I'm trying not to censor my thoughts. See where that takes me.... hopefully not jail.

I'll rationalize Koivu's declining snap shot with his wifes reputed physical gifts.

I'd say his wife may have the stronger wrists now.

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I guess I shouldn't be going there but I'm trying not to censor my thoughts. See where that takes me.... hopefully not jail.

I'll rationalize Koivu's declining snap shot with his wifes reputed physical gifts.

I'd say his wife may have the stronger wrists now.
I get it, marriage to attractive woman=decline in wrist shot due to less intense exercising of the wrist. No wonder young Kostitsyn can still really snap them.

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I get it, marriage to attractive woman=decline in wrist shot due to less intense exercising of the wrist. No wonder young Kostitsyn can still really snap them.
Precisely...

logic even holds up for Sr. Kostitsyn who's married but seperated from his wife by an Ocean and 3/4 of a continent.

Go figure.

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I get it, marriage to attractive woman=decline in wrist shot due to less intense exercising of the wrist. No wonder young Kostitsyn can still really snap them.


As for your question about 2 on 1; yes, you'll usually outnumber the opponents more often, but they won't be "visual" 2 on 1...like the normal 2 on 1 we usually see...not sure it's clear what I'm writing! Let me explain a bit more; you're trying to get a 2 on1 at the net with your 2Fs vs their 1D...also, you're trying to "isolate" their other D versus your puck carrier and your D that jumps in the play...

If the other team doesn't react quick enough, you can have 2 X 2 on 1 situations in the offensive zone...

I think you're involved in minor hockey, right? If it's still the case, get your teams to play like that...minor hockey coaches don't know how to adapt (or will not due to lack of knowledge) to that system! You'll see them jumping on the bench and yelling "BACK, BACK, BACK" at their players...

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interesting read, though its not that surprising considering we are one of the highest scoring teams so concordantly there would most likely be a relation between that and a common way to get goals though it was interesting that Detroit wasn't scoring many goals like that up to now this year.

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As for your question about 2 on 1; yes, you'll usually outnumber the opponents more often, but they won't be "visual" 2 on 1...like the normal 2 on 1 we usually see...not sure it's clear what I'm writing! Let me explain a bit more; you're trying to get a 2 on1 at the net with your 2Fs vs their 1D...also, you're trying to "isolate" their other D versus your puck carrier and your D that jumps in the play...

If the other team doesn't react quick enough, you can have 2 X 2 on 1 situations in the offensive zone...

I think you're involved in minor hockey, right? If it's still the case, get your teams to play like that...minor hockey coaches don't know how to adapt (or will not due to lack of knowledge) to that system! You'll see them jumping on the bench and yelling "BACK, BACK, BACK" at their players...
thanks. My only involvement is watching the games of friend's kids when I can.

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Ak46 is also very good in front of the net, even if his work doesn't necessarily shows on the scoring sheet. Just watch this video and how he bumps Chara out of Kovalev's way (@ around 0:55)


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Ak46 is also very good in front of the net, even if his work doesn't necessarily shows on the scoring sheet. Just watch this video and how he bumps Chara out of Kovalev's way (@ around 0:55)

Hahaha all three goals right in front of the net. Yep Montreal is a perimeter team

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Precisely...

logic even holds up for Sr. Kostitsyn who's married but seperated from his wife by an Ocean and 3/4 of a continent.

Go figure.
She's actually living here with Andrei (and their daughter) now.

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This should be posted on the Ruins board. They always come-up with the pathetic "Habs are soft and only a team that plays the perimeter".
To be fair, you can't blame them. Over the last few years, I'm sure a lot of their fans have probably stopped watching after the 1st period of Habs/Bruins games. They haven't had the opportunity/desire to watch how the games turn out and get an understanding of our team

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