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11-04-2008, 08:37 PM
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2 goals this season. Going on 3
Just terrible.

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He's no worse than a number two dman. His value is somewhat inflated due to his contract.
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11-04-2008, 09:26 PM
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I'm not really sure why people are mentioning 2 million dollars? Shanahan has already said that he will play for less than 1 mill.

Pro-rated, he could be around $600k.

I have said it now, and I will say it again, it is NOT about the cap hit.

It is about the number of contracts. They are already at the limit. So, someone would need to be moved in order to make room for him. Moving someone (which would be necessary) would also (theoretically) increase cap space.

But that ISN'T the issue...

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I'm not really sure why people are mentioning 2 million dollars? Shanahan has already said that he will play for less than 1 mill.

Pro-rated, he could be around $600k.

I have said it now, and I will say it again, it is NOT about the cap hit.

It is about the number of contracts. They are already at the limit. So, someone would need to be moved in order to make room for him. Moving someone (which would be necessary) would also (theoretically) increase cap space.

But that ISN'T the issue...
Maybe try trading/Waiving Kukkonen or Alberts. Or send off someone on the phantoms for future considerations. Im sure someone would love Aubin right now. NYI or NJD

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11-04-2008, 11:15 PM
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dumb idea

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Brendan Shanahan and his agent met with Paul Holmgren on Monday to possibly negotiate a deal.

Source: www.flyerswire.com
Does not make any sense.

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Does not make any sense.
not in and of itself it doesn't, but as a part of several deals to improve our defense while keeping our offense strong it does

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11-05-2008, 08:14 AM
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By Tim Panaccio

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I got the sense today in the Flyers dressing room that the players don't seem to think general manager Paul Holmgren will pull the trigger on a Brendan Shanahan signing.

Maybe they think he is merely trying to use the "threat" of signing Shanny as leverage to get the forwards to play better defensively.

Wish you could have seen the look on Holmgren's face when I presented that scenario. His reaction was priceless. And it said, I'm not kidding.


Mike Richards doesn't agree with the GM on the forwards' play. He thinks they're playing better and they have occasional lapses.

Said Holmgren, "We've have some games where weve been pretty good. If you look at our goals, we score a lot of goals. We got to do a better job away from the puck. the games we lost this year, Im not sure our goaltending has been great, either.

Were not just blaming the forwards when I talk about this, but you cant put all the blame on the defensemen. Its a team game. We all have to do better. the way we play, we start strong in our own zone and we move the puck up. We have the ability to score. But we have to take care of our end. That's all five guys, plus the goalie, on the ice."

Again, I would rather see the Flyers package a deal to Florida and get Jay Bouwmeester in here. Now. I think beefing up defense is better than relying on one player, a forward, to make the team more defensive conscious.

Shanny played on a line with Chris Drury as a Ranger. Drury is a two-way player. Did that change the Rangers' entire style as a defensive-conscious club? Nope. I don't see this as the answer.

Change the system, Paul.

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11-05-2008, 10:25 AM
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Is it just me or has Timmy P not been as horrible lately? I really wasn't a fan of reading him a year or so ago, but he seems more constructive as of late.

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Is it just me or has Timmy P not been as horrible lately? I really wasn't a fan of reading him a year or so ago, but he seems more constructive as of late.
Im gonna have to agree. Wasn't a big fan before, but he's doing a pretty good job right now.

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11-05-2008, 11:51 AM
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Didnt read the whole thread, but why???? We dont need scoring, we need defense. We have Shanahan on this team already, his name is Mike Knuble.

Who would he play with?

This move would be 5 years too late...

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11-05-2008, 11:55 AM
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I agree, we dont need another PF in this line-up. Obviously I cant begin to see any deal containing lupul for J-Bo but I think we have enough assets elsewhere to bring him here. Knuble Nodl 2nd round?

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Didnt read the whole thread, but why???? We dont need scoring, we need defense. We have Shanahan on this team already, his name is Mike Knuble.

Who would he play with?

This move would be 5 years too late
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5? try like 10.

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11-05-2008, 12:28 PM
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OK, I broke down a and read it....

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Hartnell. Just because he brings somethign to the table that nobody else does doesnt mean he is earning his paycheck. If we could move him Id ship him out in a second. Not that I dont like him but shanahan plays somewhat of a similar game but doesnt take ******** penalties and will score more. After this year if shanny is gone we could find someone that is a hartnell type but for much less money.
Um, have you watched the games so far this season?? Hartnell has been one of our best players out there.

Scott Hartnell LW 11 4 4 8 1
Ryan Malone LW 10 2 0 2 -1
Dustin Penner LW 11 3 0 3 4

I think Hartnell is certainly earning his salary.....

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I think Hartnell is earning his paycheck. Maybe he is slightly overpaid but that's what happens when you get a FA usually. I have no problem with his salary.
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well ryan malone, a FA last year and comparable player to hartnell, got 4.5 mil a year
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Yeah, the guy barely outscored Hartnell playing alongside Crosby...we could do a lot worse than paying Scott $4.2M.
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not in and of itself it doesn't, but as a part of several deals to improve our defense while keeping our offense strong it does
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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Tim-P...uffing/2/17692
I got the sense today in the Flyers dressing room that the players don't seem to think general manager Paul Holmgren will pull the trigger on a Brendan Shanahan signing.

Maybe they think he is merely trying to use the "threat" of signing Shanny as leverage to get the forwards to play better defensively.

Wish you could have seen the look on Holmgren's face when I presented that scenario. His reaction was priceless. And it said, I'm not kidding.


Mike Richards doesn't agree with the GM on the forwards' play. He thinks they're playing better and they have occasional lapses.

Said Holmgren, "We've have some games where weve been pretty good. If you look at our goals, we score a lot of goals. We got to do a better job away from the puck. the games we lost this year, Im not sure our goaltending has been great, either.

Were not just blaming the forwards when I talk about this, but you cant put all the blame on the defensemen. Its a team game. We all have to do better. the way we play, we start strong in our own zone and we move the puck up. We have the ability to score. But we have to take care of our end. That's all five guys, plus the goalie, on the ice."

Again, I would rather see the Flyers package a deal to Florida and get Jay Bouwmeester in here. Now. I think beefing up defense is better than relying on one player, a forward, to make the team more defensive conscious.

Shanny played on a line with Chris Drury as a Ranger. Drury is a two-way player. Did that change the Rangers' entire style as a defensive-conscious club? Nope. I don't see this as the answer.

Change the system, Paul.
Change the coach....

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11-05-2008, 01:36 PM
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Change the system, Paul.
wait. what?

we have a system? guess I have missed something the last season plus.

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wait. what?

we have a system? guess I have missed something the last season plus.
Not a system per say. I think Stevens calls it a 'recipe'.

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If we get Shanny, you do not tinker with the Richards Hartnell Lupul line. We have changed the lines so many times I have already forgot who is on which lines. Just dont mess with the line Cannon is on.

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If we get Shanny, you do not tinker with the Richards Hartnell Lupul line. We have changed the lines so many times I have already forgot who is on which lines. Just dont mess with the line Cannon is on.
Just put him with Upshall and Carter. Although I rather not sign him anyway. Use that money to upgrade defense. And I love Shanahan, but this is a signing you make to win the cup NOW. Our defense is nowhere near positioned to do that.

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wait. what?

we have a system? guess I have missed something the last season plus.
Flyers do have system, it's somewhere between sh_it and syphilis…



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if we could package a deal for j-bo, resign him long term and then get shanny, I would love homer. Then if he fired stevens and got anew head coach, I might propose to himn

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if we could package a deal for j-bo, resign him long term and then get shanny, I would love homer. Then if he fired stevens and got anew head coach, I might propose to himn
I'd be happy with no Shanny and just trading for Jay-Bo.

We have Knuble, we don't need Shanny.

Steven's leaving in favor of a different coach probably won't happen soon either. Oh well.

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I don't know, maybe he could teach some of our forwards some defensive responsibility


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I don't know, maybe he could teach some of our forwards some defensive responsibility

Can he teach the coaches how to coach defense??

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Can he teach the coaches how to coach defense??
Can he coach?

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I'd be happy with no Shanny and just trading for Jay-Bo.

We have Knuble, we don't need Shanny.

Steven's leaving in favor of a different coach probably won't happen soon either. Oh well.
I'd be even happier with Shanahan and trading for a dman other than Bouwmeester.

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I'd be even happier with Shanahan and trading for a dman other than Bouwmeester.
why not j-bo just wondering??

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