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11-05-2008, 04:14 PM
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LOL...a 36 year old veteran who has shown signs of his demise and a borderline second liner doesn't get you an up-and-coming superstar and a decent prospect goalie.
I would really like to know how he had shown signs of his "demise"

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11-05-2008, 05:30 PM
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LOL...a 36 year old veteran who has shown signs of his demise and a borderline second liner doesn't get you an up-and-coming superstar and a decent prospect goalie.
your still in denial that martys play hasnt dropped off i see

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11-05-2008, 05:43 PM
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Brodeur has not had much playoffs success since scott stevens and scott niedermyer have left him though. Having two hall of fame defencemen on your team helps a lot in winning cups. If you want to talk about cups being a great measuring factor for goalies, then chris osgood has the same amount of cups as brodeur and grant fuhr has more cups.
Therefore,
Chris Osgood = Martin Brodeur
Chris Osgood >>> Roberto Luongo =
Martin Brodeur >>> Roberto Luongo

Thank you.

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11-05-2008, 06:16 PM
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Brodeur has not had much playoffs success since scott stevens and scott niedermyer have left him though. Having two hall of fame defencemen on your team helps a lot in winning cups.
Absolutely, 100% correct. Which in the "minds" of a few HF geniuses, somehow diminishes Brodeur's accomplishments. Of course, such bastardized logic assumes that a goalie operates as a separate entity from the rest of his team.

Yes, Brodeur has won Cups with two great dmen and other accomplished players. He clearly benefitted from their presence...as they did from his.

And?....

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If you want to talk about cups being a great measuring factor for goalies, then chris osgood has the same amount of cups as brodeur and grant fuhr has more cups.
Indeed. Which is one is a HOF and the other will get consideration. Ask any player, coach or GM what matters.


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11-05-2008, 06:21 PM
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LOL...a 36 year old veteran who has shown signs of his demise....
LOL , a Ranger fanboy trying to diminish the accomplishment of Martin Brodeur, with baseless pronouncements of his "demise".

Your demise is more pronounced than Brodeur's. And that 36 year old last season once again was rated more highly than your 20-something "King". But than again, among some here Date of Birth - not production - matters most!


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11-05-2008, 08:47 PM
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Next we'll be hearing that the only reason Weekes stopped 2 out of the 3 shots in the shootout was because of the Devils' system.

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11-05-2008, 09:48 PM
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One last thing.... a lot of teams have played the trap and have copied devils since 1995.... and some have had moderate success with it. But how many teams have won the cup with it

95 - New Jersey
96- Colorado (not a trap)
97-98 - Detroit (not a trap)
99 - Dallas (solid two way game, not a trap)
00 - Devils again
01 - Colorado - not a trap
02 - Detroit - not a trap
03 - Devils again
04 - Tampa - definetely not a trap
06 - Carolina - not a trap
07 - Anaheim - not a traditional trap, but pretty defensive oriented.... but also had a great defence... with 2 of the top 3 defencemen in the league.... and their goalie is Giguere who is a legit top 10 goalie and not a system guy
08 - Detroit - not a trap.

So despite all these teams using the neutral zone trap only 1 (or arguably 2) was able to win the stanley cup. That should tell you something about how Brodeur is better than the "legit number 1 goalie" who played behind these other trap teams. And even if you count Giguere... brodeur is still better, cause he got himself 3 cups; not 1.
Interesting point, never realized.

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11-05-2008, 11:51 PM
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Carey Price and Jaroslav Halak

or the first pick in this years draft,


nothin else will get you him.

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11-06-2008, 12:51 AM
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Brodeur has not had much playoffs success since scott stevens and scott niedermyer have left him though. Having two hall of fame defencemen on your team helps a lot in winning cups. If you want to talk about cups being a great measuring factor for goalies, then chris osgood has the same amount of cups as brodeur and grant fuhr has more cups.
1) Grant Fuhr is a HoF goalie... he played in the 80s... he might be a top 15 goalie of all time, and he played on a powerhouse oilers team.... there is no comparison between that Oilers team and New Jersey. Grant Fuhr and Billy Smith are arguably the two best goalies of that decade. Patrick Roy really doesn't have the resume counting only his work from 86-89 to really compete with those two for mantle of Best Goalie of the 1980s. Maybe theres a third guy out there who can be put in the argument but I don't know who it would be... So lets take him out of the equation here.... cause you are clearly arguing against Brodeur being amongst the top 3 goalies of the decade.

2) Does Osgood have the playoff success of Brodeur? okay sure.
Does Osgood have the numbers of Brodeur, the total wins, the sv %, the shutouts, the GAA, that Brodeur has put together in the regular season.... NOPE.

You can't find another goalie (outside of Roy and Hasek) who have both the regular season and the post-season success... you have found many who have one or the other... but there is always an area where Brodeur seperates himself from those goalies.....


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11-06-2008, 12:54 AM
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Carey Price and Jaroslav Halak

or the first pick in this years draft,


nothin else will get you him.
I'm sure montreal will give both and hand the reigns of their centennial season to Marc Denis and Cedrick Desjardins for the next 4 months.

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11-06-2008, 08:25 AM
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Heres another stat for you to ponder over. If you think Marty's play is due to the defensemen in front of him or the system. What about when he is in a shoot out?

Marty has 27 shootout wins. More than any other goalie in the NHL. Nobody else has more than 20.

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