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11-05-2008, 03:44 PM
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I'd be happy with no Shanny and just trading for Jay-Bo.

We have Knuble, we don't need Shanny.

Steven's leaving in favor of a different coach probably won't happen soon either. Oh well.
So would I, however
1. I was stating my dream for the next week
2. It depends on who we trade. might have a hole we need filled- esp, if knuble goes in the trade

and agree on the coaching

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11-05-2008, 07:03 PM
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Sign Shanny, trade Knuble for a young D, put Shanny in Knoobs spot. Shanny > Knoobs

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11-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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shanahan is unnecessary. unless a trade comes that drastically improves the defense, to the point where it won't matter even when everyone's healthy, which it almost assuredly wouldn't, i don't see what this team could possibly benefit from by signing him.

quote the veteran experience and cups all you want but he's not going to put this team over the top and there's really no reason to consider him.

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11-05-2008, 07:48 PM
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I think Shanny would be fine as our 9th forward. Let the Younguns gel in the AHL. All we'd have to do is trade Alberts

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11-05-2008, 08:16 PM
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Shanny is a shoot out king.

And we suck in those.

So if Knuble is the PP guy, Shanny can be the SO guy.

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11-05-2008, 10:45 PM
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cap era

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not in and of itself it doesn't, but as a part of several deals to improve our defense while keeping our offense strong it does
Very hard to do in cap era. The flyers are up against the cap.

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11-05-2008, 11:08 PM
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Very hard to do in cap era. The flyers are up against the cap.
It's going to get tighter once the injured players have to come off the list. I felt that this off season we did horrible cap management with some of our signings.

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11-06-2008, 01:06 AM
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Shanny is a shoot out king.

And we suck in those.

So if Knuble is the PP guy, Shanny can be the SO guy.
We suck in shootouts because Biron couldn't stop a pee-wee player from scoring. We're not great at putting the puck in the net either but that certainly isn't the problem.

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Very hard to do in cap era. The flyers are up against the cap.
No not really. You sign Shanny for cheap and trade a forward and maybe a dman brining back a little less salary, it's not that complicated.

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11-06-2008, 03:49 AM
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I almost wonder in this *waiting* time for Shanahan to decide if either Pens or Flyers will deal to make available cap space.

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11-06-2008, 07:15 AM
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No not really. You sign Shanny for cheap and trade a forward and maybe a dman brining back a little less salary, it's not that complicated.
we've been through this a million times by now. the forwards who we want to trade don't get us anything back, regardless of whether or not we throw in a near useless defenseman.

i get what you're saying but it doesn't work because no one's going to give us a good defenseman for what we're offering, especially one that's cheap. if it doesn't actually improve the defense there's no reason to make the move.

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11-06-2008, 07:18 AM
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I almost wonder in this *waiting* time for Shanahan to decide if either Pens or Flyers will deal to make available cap space.
i was thinking that too. i mean, i don't think he cares who he plays for at this point as long as they're a contender, which both teams are. he'll go to whoever can take him first.

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11-06-2008, 08:08 AM
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Shanny is a shoot out king.

And we suck in those.

So if Knuble is the PP guy, Shanny can be the SO guy.
Kinda the same reason the Sharks keep Roenick. The SO specialist.

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11-06-2008, 08:36 AM
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Sign Shanny, trade Knuble for a young D, put Shanny in Knoobs spot. Shanny > Knoobs
OK, say your the GM of another team and the Flyers and Homer come to you and say "Hey We'll give your our declining Knuble in his mid 30's for your up and coming defenseman...whatcha think?"

What would your response be. And if you say you dont want a 2nd pairing type guy then that trade is pointless, we have no need for more 5th or 6th dmen.

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11-06-2008, 09:16 AM
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Sign Shanny, trade Knuble for a young D, put Shanny in Knoobs spot. Shanny > Knoobs
11GP, 6G, 5A, 11PTs

Leave the guy be, unless its to improve our defence.

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11-06-2008, 09:33 AM
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No offers have been exchanged, although Shanahan is expected to receive a one-year contract worth in between $1.5 million to $2.5 million.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/chi081105a.html

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11-06-2008, 09:39 AM
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No offers have been exchanged, although Shanahan is expected to receive a one-year contract worth in between $1.5 million to $2.5 million.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/chi081105a.html
Annnnnd...we're out of the running. By the time he comes back the season will be close to half over. Why would we pay him 2 million for 55-60 games?


So much for all the genius ideas that he would sign for 700k. Unless its prorated?

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11-06-2008, 09:47 AM
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Annnnnd...we're out of the running. By the time he comes back the season will be close to half over. Why would we pay him 2 million for 55-60 games?


So much for all the genius ideas that he would sign for 700k. Unless its prorated?

For a few million more, we can have Sundin.

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11-06-2008, 11:15 AM
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For a few million more, we can have Sundin.
I wouldn't be against that, if we could shed salary like whoa.

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11-06-2008, 12:13 PM
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Sign Shanny, trade Knuble for a young D, put Shanny in Knoobs spot. Shanny > Knoobs
I dont think Shanahan is > Knuble at this point. Over his career absolutely, but what has Shanahan done in the last several years that would indicate he is better than Knuble??

I am sick of the Knuble bashing, it is really ridiculous....

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I wouldn't be against that, if we could shed salary like whoa.
I rather have Sundin than Shanahan, but there is no way we could shed enough salary and I dont want to sacrifice youth for Shanahan or Sundin.

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11-06-2008, 04:43 PM
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We suck in shootouts because Biron couldn't stop a pee-wee player from scoring. We're not great at putting the puck in the net either but that certainly isn't the problem.
It is the problem. Biron allows some goals but you can't win a game without scoring and you can't win a shootout without scoring. We've had one gayout this year and we were outscored 2-0. How is it the goalies fault? You can't win when you get shutout.

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11-06-2008, 04:58 PM
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Guy's, we have the top offense per TSN http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=254962&l...headlines_main , its not the lack of goal scoring its the timing.

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11-06-2008, 05:23 PM
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I rather have Sundin than Shanahan, but there is no way we could shed enough salary and I dont want to sacrifice youth for Shanahan or Sundin.
Knuble + Alberts = $4 million. Just sayin'.

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11-06-2008, 05:53 PM
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It is the problem. Biron allows some goals but you can't win a game without scoring and you can't win a shootout without scoring. We've had one gayout this year and we were outscored 2-0. How is it the goalies fault? You can't win when you get shutout.
Biron allowed 2 goals on 2 shots. That's how. If he saves one of those you have a chance to score on that 3rd goal and tie it up. Problem is that Biron probably would have allowed that puck to go in too.

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11-06-2008, 06:09 PM
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I rather have Sundin than Shanahan, but there is no way we could shed enough salary and I dont want to sacrifice youth for Shanahan or Sundin.
Everytime his (Sundin) name comes up and the short the list of teams is named...the Flyers are on it. For whatever it's worth.

I agree though, I don't want to mortgage the future for either Sundin or Shanny. I don't think were THAT close.

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Knuble + Alberts = $4 million. Just sayin'.
Assuming he'd sign for that much.

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It is the problem. Biron allows some goals but you can't win a game without scoring and you can't win a shootout without scoring. We've had one gayout this year and we were outscored 2-0. How is it the goalies fault? You can't win when you get shutout.
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Biron allowed 2 goals on 2 shots. That's how. If he saves one of those you have a chance to score on that 3rd goal and tie it up. Problem is that Biron probably would have allowed that puck to go in too.
I think we can all agree that the Flyers have experienced problems in the shootout when it comes to both scoring and goaltending. Let's not try and pretend that only one of the two has been a problem.

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