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11-12-2008, 07:49 PM
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Read my statements and you'll notice that your questions have been answered.

Again... if the Butt End was as dangerous as many of you are making it out to be, then I'm sure it would have at least been reviewed.

Kovalev/Koivu/Higgins - the leaders of your team have made it clear that Grabovski's status is no longer of any interest to the team, and have refused to comment on him. S. Kostitsyn clearly didn't get the memo.
The resident nutjob on HNIC and the number one fan in all of Leaf nation Don Cherry himself stated that it was a dirty and shameful act and warned all "kids...don't ever do this". I guess that passes as law in Leaf land unless you are disagreeing with your lord and master?

The guys didn't make Grabs status clear, they made it clear he is beneath their comtempt and not worth the time it takes to think about him. I agree with them, why waste your time thinking about something you wiped off your boot when you could be thinking about what you'll do with that boot come January?

At the end of the day Grabs is exciting you now because your team is so pitiful he actually qualifies as your top player. That will change as you get better and you will move him ala Wellwood, Tucker and the rest of the guys you onced loved so much. Grabs is not a keeper.

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11-12-2008, 07:57 PM
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Sergei should be more worried that he's closer to playing his way to the ahl rather than anything else.

Put up or shut up. We played like crap versus the Leafs and tried to take out Grabovski, he met us tit for tat and was a cataclyst for his team's win.

All this incessant whining is absolutely ridiculous.
Take it easy there. Sergei is on a 3 game points streak. It was a frustrating game against the Leafs and he was the only one to show some emotions. I dunno if he saw the butt end on Price or not, but at least, he show us that he hates to lose. He might say thing that Koivu wont say to the media, but the guy is 21, he still learning.

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11-12-2008, 08:01 PM
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Where are all the Grabovsky lovers this morning after his scintillating -3 performance in the Leafs 4-3 loss?
Grabs is purely offensive minded, he still got an assist on a nicely set up goal.

S.Kost should shut up and get his game back together. Focus on getting some production before you start *****ing about players who are playing well for their respective teams. We dont need another agitator we need S.Kost to develop his skills not his mouth.

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11-12-2008, 08:14 PM
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S.Kost should shut up and get his game back together. Focus on getting some production before you start *****ing about players who are playing well for their respective teams. We dont need another agitator we need S.Kost to develop his skills not his mouth.
You clearly ignored the beautiful pass he gave Higgins for Higgin's second the other night.

Kostitsyn's game is fine.

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11-12-2008, 08:14 PM
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I watched the game. He was -3 on the night and won only 26% of his faceoffs (won 5 and lost 14). Terrible defensively, Phaneuf nailed him too.

It's easy to see how Leaf fans will fall in love with him. He's pure offense with those great wheels, but the love affair will sour if he doesn't learn other aspects of the game.
It's just funny how Habs fans second guess everything.

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11-12-2008, 09:55 PM
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Take it easy there. Sergei is on a 3 game points streak. It was a frustrating game against the Leafs and he was the only one to show some emotions. I dunno if he saw the butt end on Price or not, but at least, he show us that he hates to lose. He might say thing that Koivu wont say to the media, but the guy is 21, he still learning.
He's picking it up but his play this season has been very dissapointing. Only his brother has been more so IMO.

I don't really care how old he is, don't say things like that when you're doing nothing on the ice to back it up. Grabovski was backing it with his play.

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11-12-2008, 10:08 PM
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You clearly ignored the beautiful pass he gave Higgins for Higgin's second the other night.

Kostitsyn's game is fine.
Other than the Toronto blowout he has had 4 points in 12 games. If we expect him to never get past the third line yes that is fine.

Many people on this board agree he is not improving and living up to his potential.

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11-12-2008, 10:09 PM
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He's picking it up but his play this season has been very dissapointing. Only his brother has been more so IMO.

I don't really care how old he is, don't say things like that when you're doing nothing on the ice to back it up. Grabovski was backing it with his play.
Who cares, its entertaining. Sergei's a fiesty guy but he's not the guy who has to back up what he says offensively. He'll back it up when he either knocks Grabovski out cold with a hit or beats the crap out of him. Sergei's not exactly in a position or getting the ice time to put up decent numbers, not with the way Lang and Lats have been playing. He'll be fine, he hasn't even had a full season yet.

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11-12-2008, 10:28 PM
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Other than the Toronto blowout he has had 4 points in 12 games. If we expect him to never get past the third line yes that is fine.

Many people on this board agree he is not improving and living up to his potential.
1) You can't just take out one game like that....

For example being A PPG player doesn't mean you score 1 point every game, it means that is your average... if you take it out when a guy has a 3 or 4 point night that is completely misrepresenting their season stats.... if you took out all of Ovechkin's three or four point nights last year and said...

He only scored 50 points in 65 games or something like that you'd be totally misrepresenting his season too.

2) He's a 21 year old 3rd liner... If you expected 60+ points this year perhaps its your expectations that need to be re-adjusted, not Sergei's play. He's still developping and if he scores 41pts in 82 games this year that would be decent for him... anything more than that is gravy. Look at the number of top prospects from his draft class who aren't even in the NHL yet; and this guy was a 7th round pick.

Honestly people expect every player to be like Crosby and rip up the league at 18 years old. You do realize that it takes time for young players to develop, but you have to have patience. He shows flashes of his skills... the goal in columbus... the pass to Higgins last night (watch the replay again... 99% of players in the league would have shot in that situation... but he showed outstanding vision to make that play). Very similar to a slap pass that markov threw to Koivu earlier this year that resulted in another open net goal.

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11-12-2008, 10:46 PM
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1) You can't just take out one game like that....

For example being A PPG player doesn't mean you score 1 point every game, it means that is your average... if you take it out when a guy has a 3 or 4 point night that is completely misrepresenting their season stats.... if you took out all of Ovechkin's three or four point nights last year and said...

He only scored 50 points in 65 games or something like that you'd be totally misrepresenting his season too.

2) He's a 21 year old 3rd liner... If you expected 60+ points this year perhaps its your expectations that need to be re-adjusted, not Sergei's play. He's still developping and if he scores 41pts in 82 games this year that would be decent for him... anything more than that is gravy. Look at the number of top prospects from his draft class who aren't even in the NHL yet; and this guy was a 7th round pick.

Honestly people expect every player to be like Crosby and rip up the league at 18 years old. You do realize that it takes time for young players to develop, but you have to have patience. He shows flashes of his skills... the goal in columbus... the pass to Higgins last night (watch the replay again... 99% of players in the league would have shot in that situation... but he showed outstanding vision to make that play). Very similar to a slap pass that markov threw to Koivu earlier this year that resulted in another open net goal.
He had 1 night of 3 points and then went cold for 8 or so games, we had another superstar like that called Micheal Ryder. And yes when you blow out a team like Toronto whose lineup is closer to the AHL than the NHL you can take that into account. You wouldnt just remove all of Ovechkins 4 point night because he has MANY of them, S.Kost had ONE high point night at the very beginning of the season.

Say player A has an amazing night of 5 points against the worst team in the league and then does nothing for the next 9 games, does that mean that player will get 40 points in the season? Stats only take you so far until you have to look at their game. Thats how you take an average, usually you take out the highest number and the lowest.

And yes right now he is playing like a 3rd liner but everyone expects him to play better than that. Like I said before he isn't impressing yet and needs to focus on his game and not some meaningless rivalry that will only help to get him off his game. If he wants off the third line he has to play like a 2nd liner or 1st liner. Until you consistantly produce at the NHL level you aren't ready to move up the ladder and that is where he needs to improve.

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11-12-2008, 10:56 PM
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He had 1 night of 3 points and then went cold for 8 or so games, we had another superstar like that called Micheal Ryder. And yes when you blow out a team like Toronto whose lineup is closer to the AHL than the NHL you can take that into account. You wouldnt just remove all of Ovechkins 4 point night because he has MANY of them, S.Kost had ONE high point night at the very beginning of the season.

Say player A has an amazing night of 5 points against the worst team in the league and then does nothing for the next 9 games, does that mean that player will get 40 points in the season? Stats only take you so far until you have to look at their game. Thats how you take an average, usually you take out the highest number and the lowest.

And yes right now he is playing like a 3rd liner but everyone expects him to play better than that. Like I said before he isn't impressing yet and needs to focus on his game and not some meaningless rivalry that will only help to get him off his game. If he wants off the third line he has to play like a 2nd liner or 1st liner. Until you consistantly produce at the NHL level you aren't ready to move up the ladder and that is where he needs to improve.
He's 21 years old and our top 2 lines are stacked... he doesn't need to be moving up the depth chart.... if he chips in 0.5 ppg he is doing his job and he continuing his improvement.... Plays like the pass last night should show you what he is doing.

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The personal crap set aside for a moment, Grabovski is doing exactly what I think a lot of people expected.

We all knew he was a very talented player. The question in Montreal was: Should he be on the ice over Koivu or Plekanec? If the answer to that was no, and it was, then he had to be moved.

Grabovski, like Ribeiro, is useless outside the top 2 lines and PP. Unlike when we had Ribeiro, though, we have too much depth to let him learn on the job.

Grabs positively handed Markov his jock on that Leafs goal. There's no doubt he'll be a good NHLer.

The rest of it? Fun melodrama, but nothing else.

The only team I expect it will ultimately impact is the Belorussian National Team.

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The personal crap set aside for a moment, Grabovski is doing exactly what I think a lot of people expected.

We all knew he was a very talented player. The question in Montreal was: Should he be on the ice over Koivu or Plekanec? If the answer to that was no, and it was, then he had to be moved.

Grabovski, like Ribeiro, is useless outside the top 2 lines and PP. Unlike when we had Ribeiro, though, we have too much depth to let him learn on the job.

Grabs positively handed Markov his jock on that Leafs goal. There's no doubt he'll be a good NHLer.

The rest of it? Fun melodrama, but nothing else.

The only team I expect it will ultimately impact is the Belorussian National Team.
LOL Grabo was not moved by BG because of what line he should be on. He was moved because of Grabo.

He's the Leaf's problem now. And though they might be happy at present, things can change quickly. There are plenty of examples like that

Meanwhile I hope sergei just bides his time. No point in getting burned trying to get even with the little weasel. Grabo's act will catch up with him eventually

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