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11-14-2008, 02:01 PM
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Waive Alberts when Parent gets back.

Problem solved.
i agree, and that's what i want, i just doubt the willingness of the front office wanting to do this. i can imagine them saying "finishing out the year for Ryan will be really good for him, and he'll come back strong and very ready for next year. It'll be a good place for him to get his feet wet again."

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11-14-2008, 02:32 PM
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Meltzer reporting that Kukks cleared and will remain with the flyers for now:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...ivers/45/17873

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Lasse Kukkonen has cleared waivers and will remain with the Flyers, at least for the time being. With the re-injury suffered by Ossi Väänänen (broken finger) last night, Kukkonen is likely in the starting lineup tomorrow in Montreal.


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11-14-2008, 02:48 PM
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sbisa to juniors and parent to the A is just dumb. just plain dumb. there's no excuse, not even the flyers being too proud. if you sacrifice those to for andrew ****ing alberts you're ****ed anyway, and that's the mistake people will remember. not getting some piece of **** and waiving him for players who will contribute more and get valuable time in for their own development which will make them contribute even more in the future.

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Definitely agree, just saying I can see that as a course of action. This team is a mess right now, why would they do something that makes sense to us?

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11-14-2008, 02:54 PM
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Who replaces Kukkonen as the 12th forward?

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11-14-2008, 02:56 PM
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Who replaces Kukkonen as the 12th forward?
I have a feeling they're gonna call someone up. Apparently Marshall and Bourdon are playing for the Phantoms tonight.

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11-14-2008, 02:59 PM
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I have a feeling they're gonna call someone up. Apparently Marshall and Bourdon are playing for the Phantoms tonight.
What?

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What?
Just read it in an article somewhere. Let me try to find the link.

Edit: It's actually at the bottom of the article linked above. Meltzer wrote it.

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11-14-2008, 03:11 PM
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I have a feeling they're gonna call someone up. Apparently Marshall and Bourdon are playing for the Phantoms tonight.
The agreement between the NHL and CHL makes that pretty much impossible.

Meltzer's piece says they're playing tonight. Not playing with the Phantoms.

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The agreement between the NHL and CHL makes that pretty much impossible.

Meltzer's piece says they're playing tonight. Not playing with the Phantoms.
Ah, misread it then. My mistake.

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11-14-2008, 03:18 PM
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The injury to Ossi may be a blessing in disguise because Lasse would have to clear recall waivers on the way back up. If we lost him, not only do we lose a player but we also lose $450K in cap space.

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11-14-2008, 04:26 PM
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Who replaces Kukkonen as the 12th forward?
Good question. I would guess they'd call-up Ross again, which is fine. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Matsumoto either. Freddie Cabana is another I wouldn't mind seeing, but he's only played 4 games for the Phantoms so far this year, and is currently not on their active roster. I guess he's injured? Anyone know more about that?

MSE, have you seen any updates on Powe? Or has anyone else?

But what about the reference by Stevens that there are some issues with calling guys up right now? Regarding Kukks playing center, he said this...
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http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app/?serv...LPage&id=18891

Anyone know more details about that?

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11-14-2008, 04:40 PM
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Good question. I would guess they'd call-up Ross again, which is fine. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Matsumoto either. Freddie Cabana is another I wouldn't mind seeing, but he's only played 4 games for the Phantoms so far this year, and is currently not on their active roster. I guess he's injured? Anyone know more about that?

MSE, have you seen any updates on Powe? Or has anyone else?

But what about the reference by Stevens that there are some issues with calling guys up right now? Regarding Kukks playing center, he said this...

http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app/?serv...LPage&id=18891

Anyone know more details about that?

I can't get the Flyers' TV to play but yesterday someone asked Stevens about Powe and Cote. Stevens' answer mentioned Cote more so but the impression I got was both weren't ready for game action.

This is totally off the wall, but if they are traveling, I wonder if one would dress to meet the standard requirement for personnel dressed in a game even though they wouldn't play.

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11-14-2008, 06:18 PM
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Good question. I would guess they'd call-up Ross again, which is fine. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Matsumoto either. Freddie Cabana is another I wouldn't mind seeing, but he's only played 4 games for the Phantoms so far this year, and is currently not on their active roster. I guess he's injured? Anyone know more about that?

MSE, have you seen any updates on Powe? Or has anyone else?

But what about the reference by Stevens that there are some issues with calling guys up right now? Regarding Kukks playing center, he said this...

http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app/?serv...LPage&id=18891

Anyone know more details about that?
Cabana is in the ECHL, no?

Powe is still concussed, as far as I know.

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11-14-2008, 06:37 PM
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Cabana is in the ECHL, no?

Powe is still concussed, as far as I know.
Thanks, you are correct about Cabana...I just checked the Sea Wolves site. Haha, shows how well I evaluate prospects I suppose...I thought he looked awesome at rookie camp. I thought he'd be a good call-up for the Flyers this year, and now he can't even crack the Phantoms roster.

So, no one knows specific details regarding the "restrictions" with the amount of call-ups a team makes? I thought there might be a wiz or two like Rick Deckard or someone that might have the lowdown on that stuff.

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Who replaces Kukkonen as the 12th forward?
Why not give giroux a shot. I dont care about his training camp...and the minus he's sporting in the A, but the dude can play. If theres any person in the organization that comes the closest to replacing Briere, its Giroux. I would like to see him get a chance this year. The only thing thats a problem is that he's not a true center. Even if he does sit on the bench for the end of the game.....its not going to effect his development. The worst thing that happens is that the Flyers realize he needs to spend the rest of the year in the AHL

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Cabana isn't a real NHL prospect, that's why he's in the ECHL. Not sure why everyone thought he was.

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Why not give giroux a shot. I dont care about his training camp...and the minus he's sporting in the A, but the dude can play. If theres any person in the organization that comes the closest to replacing Briere, its Giroux. I would like to see him get a chance this year. The only thing thats a problem is that he's not a true center. Even if he does sit on the bench for the end of the game.....its not going to effect his development. The worst thing that happens is that the Flyers realize he needs to spend the rest of the year in the AHL
I agree with this if Giroux can center and Metro moves to the 4th line. I don't want them to call Giroux up and give him 4th line minutes.

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Why not give giroux a shot. I dont care about his training camp...and the minus he's sporting in the A, but the dude can play. If theres any person in the organization that comes the closest to replacing Briere, its Giroux. I would like to see him get a chance this year. The only thing thats a problem is that he's not a true center. Even if he does sit on the bench for the end of the game.....its not going to effect his development. The worst thing that happens is that the Flyers realize he needs to spend the rest of the year in the AHL
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I agree with this if Giroux can center and Metro moves to the 4th line. I don't want them to call Giroux up and give him 4th line minutes.
Giroux is better off playing a full year in the AHL. Ferrying him back and forth between the AHL and NHL will not help his confidence or his development. As much as I hate seeing career AHLers on the Flyers' roster, they're the perfect short term replacements.

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Giroux is better off playing a full year in the AHL. Ferrying him back and forth between the AHL and NHL will not help his confidence or his development. As much as I hate seeing career AHLers on the Flyers' roster, they're the perfect short term replacements.
Agreed, wasn't part of the issue with Downie's development the fact that he got called up and barely played when what he needed was a lot of minutes to get better defensively and conditioning wise? Same with Parent. I don't want Giroux up until he has more than adjusted the AHL and is ready to take a regular shift on the wing on one of the top 3 lines. Most reports I have read indicate he is coming around and starting to play well there, they should leave him.

BTW... Jared Ross has been called up for tomorrow night (according to the Phantoms broadcast tonight)

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Unfortunately, it comes down to puck control. The Flyers have none. These hole-plugs at center are not true centermen with faceoff abilities, and it shows. I don't know their cap hits, but guys like Bonk or McDonald could help us out. Maybe even a guy like Boyd Gordon in WSH would be of use.

In addition, we need some grit/agitation in the lineup on a consistent basis. Cote being out does not help us at all, but moving Downie has also been an issue. Frankly, I think a player like Ross or Nodl being in the lineup on a consistent basis, working hard, and earning their keep is necessary. The incessant shuffling of the lineup has got to stop.

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What you said is true. We don't have players that can make moves like a hemsky, or a crosby type player. Not taking away the fact that they are great players we have on the team. But it really hurts us 5 on 5.

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Cabana isn't a real NHL prospect, that's why he's in the ECHL. Not sure why everyone thought he was.



Not "everyone" thought he was.

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assuming kukkonen and alberts' salary are the same so its a non issue...

which would you rather have?

this should be interesting

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What you said is true. We don't have players that can make moves like a hemsky, or a crosby type player. Not taking away the fact that they are great players we have on the team. But it really hurts us 5 on 5.
Crosby and Hemsky are two different types of players. Crosby can do the fancy moves and finish them. That's always been a problem with Hemsky. I've seen countless vids of him getting nailed because he was doing some fancy move and he gets nailed.

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