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07-11-2004, 02:35 PM
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Who would emerge victorious in TO Vs Phillies this year in the playoffs...

i just want to know what everyone thinks whos going to top the other team in the playoffs next year if there is a season..

Toronto Vs Phillies.

You can add players to the team if you want...( eg. Toronto is rumored to get Kariya, Murray, or Lindros...)

Same with Phillie ( all i know is that Recchi and Zhamnov and MAlakhov wont be back )

what do you guys think is going to happen?
i just think they are the most exciting playoff series.

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Flyers, regardless of who gets added. Ottawa-Toronto-Philadelphia is the rock-paper-sissors of the NHL.

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Zhamnov is not completely a lost cause for Philly. Anyway, I'd take Philly cause they have some good young prospects coming up and also because I like their bottom two lines and their defense better. Pretty much the same deal as this year.

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As of today...

The Leafs edge ever closer, but I think the Flyers still take them.. Toronto's age after a series or two seems to show in injuries and tired legs.. they always play well, but seem to get worn down..

That said, if this is a first round series, very close.. but as the playoffs move along, Philly probably beats them more easily...

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Clearly the Phillies. They have better pitching than Toronto and more bats through the lineup with Thome, Abreu, Burrell, etc. Clearly this should be in the other sports forum because there is no hockey team named the Phillies.

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Clearly the Phillies. They have better pitching than Toronto and more bats through the lineup with Thome, Abreu, Burrell, etc. Clearly this should be in the other sports forum because there is no hockey team named the Phillies.
Starting pitching has been bad lately though, the guys can't go deep in games.

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its hard to keep track who's on the flyers roster

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I'm moving this thread to the NHL forum friends.

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3 words: Hitchcock vs. Quinn

It's the flyers.

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Flyers, regardless of who gets added. Ottawa-Toronto-Philadelphia is the rock-paper-sissors of the NHL.
It's really funny how no matter what

Toronto usually beats Ottawa
Ottawa usually beats Philadelphia
Philadelphia beats Toronto


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i just want to know what everyone thinks whos going to top the other team in the playoffs next year if there is a season..

Toronto Vs Phillies.

You can add players to the team if you want...( eg. Toronto is rumored to get Kariya, Murray, or Lindros...)

Same with Phillie ( all i know is that Recchi and Zhamnov and MAlakhov wont be back )

what do you guys think is going to happen?
i just think they are the most exciting playoff series.
Easily Toronto!

I'm assuming of course Primeau gets traded to Toronto for a seventh round draft pick and future considerations.

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i just want to know what everyone thinks whos going to top the other team in the playoffs next year if there is a season..

Toronto Vs Phillies.

You can add players to the team if you want...( eg. Toronto is rumored to get Kariya, Murray, or Lindros...)

Same with Phillie ( all i know is that Recchi and Zhamnov and MAlakhov wont be back )

what do you guys think is going to happen?
i just think they are the most exciting playoff series.
Cuz we all knoez everybady wanna play 4 Toranno!

Philly will come out the victor of the series probably again and again and again and again as they have a solid mixture of youth and experience with young players such as Gagne, Seidenberg, Sharp and Pitkanen, players such as Johnsson, Markov, Handzus and Esche who are entering their primes, guys in their primes like Primeau, Roenick, Kapanen and Amonte and old players like Burke, Desjardins, Leclair and Recchi.

Even though Leclair and Recchi might not be back next year, they are old players and thats addition by subtraction. If you look at the leafs, all their additions and their core are old players. None of their young players fit critical roles but serve only 3rd-4th line duties like Ponikarvosky or Stajan etc..

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easily the leafs - if there is a shortened nhl season........


our team wil lbe younger with additions from within and flyers will be weaker without recchi (Thats a point a game they are throwing away)

Toronto is adding a point a game in kariya murray or lindros

belfour is still great and the flyrs goalie was a one yr wonder

this yr will lead to a toronto cup

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easily the leafs - if there is a shortened nhl season........


our team wil lbe younger with additions from within and flyers will be weaker without recchi (Thats a point a game they are throwing away)

Toronto is adding a point a game in kariya murray or lindros

belfour is still great and the flyrs goalie was a one yr wonder

this yr will lead to a toronto cup
How are you so sure that the leafs will get either Kariya or Murray or Lindros?

How are you so sure that the flyers won't add anyone else?

How are you so sure Belfour will still be as dominant at 39 years old?

How are you so sure the "flyrs goalie was a one yr wonder"?

Recchi has 6 points in 18 playoff games last year, we are talking about the playoffs right?

Even if Recchi is gone, the flyers will promote either Jeff Carter or Patrick Sharp up and they should fill his void even if it means scoring less points.

I have no idea when you said "our team wil lbe younger with additions from within" because your team will be older and your additions are anything but from within.

Just a few problems I noticed with that post.

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Its so funny like somebody said about Toronto/Ottawa/Philly

I just wish it would change where instead of Philly owning us, we own them. I don't know though...one of these years we will beat them (I'm sure Ottawa fans say that a lot when we play em in the playoffs). But I would say Toronto as long as we don't have a lot of blowout games.

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Ottawa-Toronto-Philadelphia is the rock-paper-sissors of the NHL.
Exactly!

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As long as the cores remain in these two teams, Philly will always come out on top.
Belfour never seems to play well against Philly, maybe it's a mind game with Hitch holding the better hand.

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easily the leafs - if there is a shortened nhl season........


our team wil lbe younger with additions from within and flyers will be weaker without recchi (Thats a point a game they are throwing away)

Toronto is adding a point a game in kariya murray or lindros

belfour is still great and the flyrs goalie was a one yr wonder

this yr will lead to a toronto cup



Loss of Recchi will be felt on the power play especially but one player out....probably 2 players in. We'll compensate for what we've lost. On the flip side you could say we've lost Recchi and added a very skilled big man and another heavy hitter in Knuble and Stevenson.......not quite as optomistic?

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I'll take the Leafs as long as Millwood is pitching. Heck, I'll take my Rec. team over the Phillies with Millwood on the mound.

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Originally Posted by Epsilon
Flyers, regardless of who gets added. Ottawa-Toronto-Philadelphia is the rock-paper-sissors of the NHL.

And yet none of those teams seem to be able to reach the finals.


My order:

1. Ottawa
2. Philadelphia
3. Toronto


Ottawa has all those young guys in the lineup, some of them are not in their prime yet (Hossa, Havlat, Volchenkov, Fisher, etc). The Flyers have some great young kids coming up, but youth is not served quite yet, Toronto is good, but will be on the downswing, theyre doing everything the Flyers are not doing and that is (re)signing guys who play roles they could probably pick up some other guys to do, younger and cheaper, maybe a little less consistently but with the financial issues, the Flyers will take the good with the bad

Nieuwendyk, Roberts, Berg ---> Stajan, Steen, Hedin, could have had Ricci or Barnaby, Stevenson, O'Donnell (older but a helluva lot better than Aki Freaken Berg)

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