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11-16-2008, 03:18 PM
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No Movement Clause. Nylander can't be sent to the AHL.
But seriously who wouldn't want to move to a magical land that smells like chocolate!

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We built up some room before Sloan came up and that will continue when Sloan is sent down next week.
No we didn't. We are over the Cap. We are ok because Pothier is on LTIR. But because we are over, any space we have that we don't use disappears to nothing. You don't get to save space when you are over due to LTIR. Our total space saved this year = 0.

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11-16-2008, 03:37 PM
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I think Sloan is up because he fills a missing role for the Caps in light of Mo's injury...a big defensive defenseman. GMGM even discussed this last week on John Thompson show. I think Lepisto will likely get a call up if a guy like Green went down, with Poti becoming the primary offensive dman and Lepisto as a backup.
We don't have the Cap space to call up Lepisto.

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11-16-2008, 03:39 PM
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We should just make a sticky thread with one line... NO CAP SPACE BUILT W/O TRADE!

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No we didn't. We are over the Cap. We are ok because Pothier is on LTIR. But because we are over, any space we have that we don't use disappears to nothing. You don't get to save space when you are over due to LTIR. Our total space saved this year = 0.
Thanks, I didn't know that.

Seems there is a lot of confusion on the forums about this.

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11-16-2008, 04:32 PM
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I hope McPhee can get Sopel for Nylander.

Byfugly would do as well, good to have versatility on the roster.

And yeah, I'd want O-B-K as line 1 and Semin-Fedorov-Laich as line 2.

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11-16-2008, 05:05 PM
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Ovi - Backis - Semin
Flash - Feds - Kozzie
Bourque - Laich - Clark/Fehr
Brash - Gordo - Brads

Green - Schultz
Poti - Alzner/Sloan
Mo - Erskine

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11-16-2008, 05:10 PM
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I hope McPhee can get Sopel for Nylander.

Byfugly would do as well, good to have versatility on the roster.

And yeah, I'd want O-B-K as line 1 and Semin-Fedorov-Laich as line 2.
I'm thinking exactly like you:

OBK
Semin-Fedorov-Laich
Flash-Steckel-Clark/Fehr
Brash-Gordon-Bradley

Poti-Mo
Schultz-Green
Erskine-Sopel

Alzner gets a full year to develop in Hershey and we don't have to complain that it's only because of a cap situation.

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11-16-2008, 06:03 PM
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I'm thinking exactly like you:

OBK
Semin-Fedorov-Laich
Flash-Steckel-Clark/Fehr
Brash-Gordon-Bradley

Poti-Mo
Schultz-Green
Erskine-Sopel

Alzner gets a full year to develop in Hershey and we don't have to complain that it's only because of a cap situation.
And that way Alzner could see some ice this season as well.

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11-16-2008, 07:26 PM
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It's hard for me to believe Chicago has been engaged in active trade talks with us when there appears to be no movement on the Bulin front. I have to imagine these were all conditional talks -- trying to iron out a deal before we jointly go looking for a 3rd team to work into the deal. And it's not like unloading over $5m in salary is going to be an easy thing to do. The Devils might be interested with Marty out for so much time. But Lou doesn't tend to be the type to make rash personnel moves (rash coaching moves is another story). If not Jersey, then I can't see who. The teams allowing the most goals all seem to have established goaltenders (Islanders, Flames, Leafs, Stars, etc), plus, most of them are big salary teams.

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11-17-2008, 01:53 AM
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i didnt want to jump on the trade bandwagon, lets see



pro:

- cap space (alzner and co)

- no more defensive breakdowns with him as the center



contra:

- we lose depth on the center position, with TOI and good wingers he could produce (replace clark).

- without him means a two scoring line system. (could be a pro though)

- i have the fear that if we replace him with AHLers, they will disappear like clark and nylander.

- i heard he is a mentor for backs.


so its 2-4 contra, but the important points are on the pro side. on my trade list are clark and theo as well. i would consider a trade like:

Soppel
Khabibulin

for

Theo
Nylander

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11-17-2008, 02:08 AM
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i didnt want to jump on the trade bandwagon, lets see



pro:

- cap space (alzner and co)

- no more defensive breakdowns with him as the center



contra:

- we lose depth on the center position, with TOI and good wingers he could produce (replace clark).

- without him means a two scoring line system. (could be a pro though)

- i have the fear that if we replace him with AHLers, they will disappear like clark and nylander.

- i heard he is a mentor for backs.


so its 2-4 contra, but the important points are on the pro side. on my trade list are clark and theo as well. i would consider a trade like:

Soppel
Khabibulin

for

Theo
Nylander
Um only way we take Theo back is if you take Huet back!

Huet + Theo= Lotto pick

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uh, for us non-Caps fans out here... who is Flash?
last names people, pls...


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Just for giggles...

Ovie - Backstrom - Semin
Flash - Fedorov - Kozlov
Byfuglien - Laich - Fehr/Clark
Brashear - Gordon/Steckel - Bradley

Green - Alzner
Poti - Schultz
Erskine - Morrisonn/Sloan

or


Ovie - Backstrom - Semin
Flash - Fedorov - Kozlov
Laich - Steckel - Fehr/Clark
Brashear - Gordon - Bradley

Green - Alzner
Poti - Sloan/Erskine
Sopel - Morrisonn

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11-17-2008, 02:29 AM
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11-17-2008, 02:37 AM
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How about the Canucks? Nylander is a former Gillis client who was rumoured to be coming here prior to the season. If we don't sign Sundin, we have the cap space to fit Nylander easily. We don't need really need centers, but he would still be a huge boost to our top 6.

The only problem might be cap space after this season. How many years is he under contract for?

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11-17-2008, 08:37 AM
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Tim Sassone on more Nylander rumors:

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Barker to Washington in a package for Nylander.
Be fine by me.

(It should be noted that he also reports a rumor that Barker's going to Ottawa.)

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11-17-2008, 08:42 AM
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You really think they'd give up a 22 year old #3 overall pick for a 36 year old?

I'd love it, but I don't see it happening.

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11-17-2008, 09:02 AM
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You really think they'd give up a 22 year old #3 overall pick for a 36 year old?

I'd love it, but I don't see it happening.
Yeah, that seems too good to be true.

And it's all still contingent on Chicago clearing cap space, which I am not at all convinced is going to happen.

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11-17-2008, 09:32 AM
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You know what?

I'd add a pick with Nylander (2nd perhaps) to get Barker.

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It does suggest a package for Nylander... which I would read as perhaps the Hawks, to get their center without shedding cap space first, are prepared to send one bit of dead weight and one very good young player making bank towards Washington, in exchange for Nylander, with the salaries evening out.

So a ~$2M player to the Caps, plus Barker ($2.768M) for Nylander ($4.875), maybe?

Having watched Barker fairly closely this weekend... yeah, I'd be all over that deal if it presented itself. The kid's got a top-four future as a two-way player in this league.

Interesting that a Byfuglien deal seems to have been a non-starter, where a Barker deal is perhaps more appealing for Chicago, if you trust the rumors.

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11-17-2008, 09:43 AM
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You know what?

I'd add a pick with Nylander (2nd perhaps) to get Barker.
Come on. Cue the Undertaker picture.

McPhee is a trade whiz. He got Nylander in the first place from Chicago for Chris Simon. The only reason a deal isn't done yet, is because McPhee hasn't sufficiently reamed a team for all they're worth. He's got all the leverage.

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As noted before with the cap situation with the Caps, likely something has to happen at some point whether Nylander or someone else. My opinions are in other threads about the pros and cons of moving Nylander.


The trade rumors have been mostly about Vancouver and Chicago and aren't going away. As noted, Hawks have a salary cap issue, too, whether they choose to move a goalie or another player with enough of a cap hit to make room for a center (Nylander or other.) If the Hawks end up being the trading partner they do need to move salary, whether by way of a third team involved or by moving a contract to the Caps.

I'll admit, I have only seen a few of the Hawks games this season; Barker is still learning, he needs a vet dman paired with him, IMO, but he does have upside. His RFA status and starting point with his salary is another issue, but I believe he will not have arb. rights this summer, so a QO would be 1M based on his current salary. Sopel, not a fan of the player, but more importantly, not a fan of the contract (and see Roenick's goal last night for exhibit A and the Caps game as exhibit B as examples of Sopel's performance in the games I have seen this season.) Dustin B. - curious that he is the player the Caps reportedly asked for; for a big body in front of the net on the PP? Based on what I have seen and from fan reports, he has had his ups and downs this season; isn't playing the way he did last season. And his contract is a bit scary, too, 2 more seasons at 3M.

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Reading that blog entry, all I see are reasons for it not to happen. Khabibulin for Madden certainly kills the need for Nylander. I am trying to see why Lou trades Madden, but....

I don't see the Caps getting much of anything but cap space for Nylander, but Barker would be interesting. He would also make the Caps defense younger and less experienced. While it would create the cap space for bringing up Alzner, getting Barker would seem to immediately shut that door.

I don't see the Caps adding Barker and Alzner at the same time.

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Adding Barker would keep Alzner in Hershey, most likely. It would also cement a Morrisonn trade, probably this summer.

Making the dollars work in a trade, when neither team has any cap room, is very difficult. It's why living at the cap is never a great idea. Limited flexibility to make moves.

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Next season....and beyond.

Green - Alzner
Schultz - Barker
Poti - Carlson
Erskine

Giddy.

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