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11-19-2008, 07:31 PM
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You should calm down WTK, you are becoming quite annoying, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but at some point, the habs are adult hockey players, we cannot expect Carbo to make them play if they dont want to, the fact is, we have too many floaters on the team and that some of them should be benched, carbo said it, he said that nobody should be thinking he's immune and not press-box elligible
Who said the players weren't accountable? They certainly are.

But the bottom line is, if you have a coach and he fails to perform ANY duty in the coach's job description, is there a point to keeping him around?

He's like a secretary that doesn't answer the phone, doesn't welcome clients and does no paperwork. That secretary wouldn't be working for me very long, would they for you?

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11-19-2008, 07:34 PM
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Who said the players weren't accountable? They certainly are.

But the bottom line is, if you have a coach and he fails to perform ANY duty in the coach's job description, is there a point to keeping him around?

He's like a secretary that doesn't answer the phone, doesn't welcome clients and does no paperwork. That secretary wouldn't be working for me very long, would they for you?
I wouldn't want to fire somebody that had his team finish first the year before.

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Wait this team has practices? I thought Carbo didn't like that.

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11-19-2008, 07:36 PM
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I wouldn't want to fire somebody that had his team finish first the year before.
Cool, keep your secretary because she answered the phones once.

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11-19-2008, 07:53 PM
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Who said the players weren't accountable? They certainly are.

But the bottom line is, if you have a coach and he fails to perform ANY duty in the coach's job description, is there a point to keeping him around?

He's like a secretary that doesn't answer the phone, doesn't welcome clients and does no paperwork. That secretary wouldn't be working for me very long, would they for you?
And you Wethreeking, is informed about what Carbo does, at that distance, from your Halifax, you know what Carbo does behind the Curtains, what he tries to do? You must be one wise man to foresee everything he does in the locker, on the ice ETC

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11-19-2008, 07:56 PM
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He's like a secretary that doesn't answer the phone, doesn't welcome clients and does no paperwork. That secretary wouldn't be working for me very long, would they for you?
It would depend on what she does do...

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11-19-2008, 08:09 PM
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And you Wethreeking, is informed about what Carbo does, at that distance, from your Halifax, you know what Carbo does behind the Curtains, what he tries to do? You must be one wise man to foresee everything he does in the locker, on the ice ETC
I see the product on the ice, that's what matters. He can play fiddle out of his nose with a cobra, I really don't give two *****. The fact is, whatever system he is implimenting isn't working. If the players aren't following it, then he isn't motivating them or punishing them enough to make them do so. So either he's a bad coach or the team has lost complete faith in him and he doesn't have control over his players or the room. Either case is bad. He's not getting the job done, the team isn't, but he certainly is not getting it done. The team is supposed to be a reflection of the coach, if he's preaching hard-work and defence first, we're not seeing it on the ice. It's his job to make sure that they play his game. If they are not, he is not doing his job. How much more clear can this be?

To say it again, He's either a bad coach or the team is not playing for him. In either case, the coach has to go.

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11-19-2008, 08:10 PM
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Maybe thats why the Habs look flat. I have seen videos on here of them practicing. Only it didn't look like practise. Looked more like horseplay farting around having fun. Does Carbo even work these guys in practice.

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11-19-2008, 09:04 PM
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How's he not to blame? Last I thought, the coach is supposed to be there to put a system in place and when players don't play within the system they are punished or forced to repair their game. If the coach can't do that, what else can they do? Motivate? He isn't doing this. Put together coherent lines? Hasn't done that. Call out any of the players instead of goaltenders? Nope. How about benched a veteran key cog to the team? Nope.
You obviously didn't catch the sarcasm in my first sentence.

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11-19-2008, 09:08 PM
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You obviously didn't catch the sarcasm in my first sentence.
I did miss it. Oopsie-daisie.

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11-19-2008, 10:07 PM
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In the coaching strategy deficiency departement I also noticed that in our PP nobody ever crashes the net. All our players stay in the periphery and we never create ANY circulation in front of the net. It seems other teams have figured that out and all they have to do is block the passing/shooting lanes and we're screwed.
Also, I think the reasons for our lack of goals in the last games isn't only our line combinations, but rather that forwards are now more backing defense and defensemen aren't backing offense as much. Hense we score less but also get scored less upon.
I say put BGL on the PP. Just have him stand in front of the net. Worth a try.

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11-20-2008, 09:45 AM
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I think line combinations in practice mean very little. In fact, no matter what combos are used, if the team works properly and, more importantly, use their speed, they will have success.

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11-20-2008, 10:36 AM
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I can hardly blame Carbo when this team make 30 giveaway per game
Too many of the habs players are making mental mistakes that lead to turnovers. I've never seen so many attempted passes that almost seem like they WANT to turn the puck over.

I don't blame Carbo for this, but if it doesn't change I could see blaming him for not recognizing the problem and attempting to fix it.

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11-20-2008, 10:48 AM
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I see the product on the ice, that's what matters(...)
So if they start winning again, will you stop your vendetta against him? Or will that, once again, not be enough?

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11-20-2008, 10:53 AM
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So if they start winning again, will you stop your vendetta against him? Or will that, once again, not be enough?
I vote Gros Bill for new habs coach!!!!


Actually maybe Guy and Gros Bill as co-coaches. A sorta Odd Couple type thing.

I smell sitcom!

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11-20-2008, 10:58 AM
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Was this posted anywhere?

Pat Hickey checks in from morning skate in Ottawa to report Guy Carbonneau has shuffled the deck again.

Guillaume Latendresse will be reunited with Saku Koivu and Alex Tanguay.

This one's intriguing: Tomas Plekanec centres Alex Kovalev and Christopher Higgins.

The third line has Robert Lang between Andrei Kostitsyn and Tom Kostopoulos.

The fourth line may be a game time decision, but it shapes up as Steve Bégin centring Georges Laraque and Sergei Kostitsyn.

Defence pairings stay the same.

Carey Price in goal.


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I like the changes, and I think playing Sergei on the 4th line in the morning skate is Carbo's way of giving Sergei a kick in the ass. I predict he'll play with his brother, and if so, I like those lines.

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11-20-2008, 11:01 AM
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Glad to see Latendresse moved back up with Koivu, Sergei will probably be moved back up to the third line at some point in the game.. hopefully this 4th line thing will motivate him. Overall I like the lines but i'll be very surprised if Lapierre is scratched again, though.

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11-20-2008, 11:08 AM
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Was this posted anywhere?

Pat Hickey checks in from morning skate in Ottawa to report Guy Carbonneau has shuffled the deck again.

Guillaume Latendresse will be reunited with Saku Koivu and Alex Tanguay.

This one's intriguing: Tomas Plekanec centres Alex Kovalev and Christopher Higgins.

The third line has Robert Lang between Andrei Kostitsyn and Tom Kostopoulos.

The fourth line may be a game time decision, but it shapes up as Steve Bégin centring Georges Laraque and Sergei Kostitsyn.

Defence pairings stay the same.

Carey Price in goal.


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I like the changes, and I think playing Sergei on the 4th line in the morning skate is Carbo's way of giving Sergei a kick in the ass. I predict he'll play with his brother, and if so, I like those lines.
Or it's his way of saying, 'you're one game away from the pressbox'

Also, Steve Bégin is not a centre, I have no idea why the coaching staff even attempts to play him there.

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11-20-2008, 11:16 AM
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Why Kostopoulos on the 3rd again?

I'm glad Saku and Tanguay get away from Kovy...

I don't get why they're not putting Lang and Kovy back together again?

As for Lappy punishment, it seems to keep on going...

Edit : **** I just realized that means AK46 playing on the LW, with a RW who can't shoot or pass the puck... not good at all...

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11-20-2008, 11:22 AM
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Interesting. I liked Plekanec & Higgins when they used to play together a few years back.

Also, Kostopoulos did look decent with Lang at the begining of the year. Actually, you could argue that Lang's line looked best with Kosto on it to create the fore-check.

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11-20-2008, 12:16 PM
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I vote Gros Bill for new habs coach!!!!


Actually maybe Guy and Gros Bill as co-coaches. A sorta Odd Couple type thing.

I smell sitcom!


I know a few things about coaching, but very little about coaching hockey. But I'm willing to give a shot. I bet a case of beer stays nice and cool sitting on the ice in the back of the net. And with the way the boys are playing lately, not much risk of breaking any bottles, either.

So I'm in. My first move : Darz as spiritual advisor (which means you're in charge of the hard liquor) .

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11-20-2008, 12:38 PM
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So if they start winning again, will you stop your vendetta against him? Or will that, once again, not be enough?
They were winning in the beginning and I wasn't happy. If Carbonneau can get this team to employ a good system, a good work ethic and make savvy decisions, then I will stop my "vendetta." Simply winning is not enough.

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11-20-2008, 12:57 PM
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They were winning in the beginning and I wasn't happy. If Carbonneau can get this team to employ a good system, a good work ethic and make savvy decisions, then I will stop my "vendetta." Simply winning is not enough.
Wow. Too much.

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Wow. Too much.
That's how Al MacNeill got fired.

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That's how Al MacNeill got fired.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Henri would be slapping Carbo around if he was still playing.

By the way, you wanna be Mascot coach, Zone Molson Ex t-shirt girls coach or puck picker-upper coach?

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