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11-20-2008, 10:28 AM
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Dandenault over Brisebois?

Breezer is really struggling to keep up. Physically and defensively, he can't compete and Carbo isn't hardly using him on the PP. Until Komi comes back, why not put Dandy on the 3rd pairing with Bouillon? It can't be worse, imho.

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11-20-2008, 10:31 AM
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Breezer is really struggling to keep up. Physically and defensively, he can't compete and Carbo isn't hardly using him on the PP. Until Komi comes back, why not put Dandy on the 3rd pairing with Bouillon? It can't be worse, imho.
or to replace O'Byrne... but I agree with the idea. He looked good at the training camp at D and I would not be against giving him a few games...

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11-20-2008, 10:34 AM
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Breezer is really struggling to keep up. Physically and defensively, he can't compete and Carbo isn't hardly using him on the PP. Until Komi comes back, why not put Dandy on the 3rd pairing with Bouillon? It can't be worse, imho.
06-07. That's why.

But the sad thing is Brisebois-Bouillon is frighteningly similar to Dandouillon. Bob has got to get another legit top 4 defenceman from somewhere and knock the scrubs off the depth chart.

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or to replace O'Byrne... but I agree with the idea. He looked good at the training camp at D and I would not be against giving him a few games...
I prefer O'Byrne to Brisebois, any day. The only place I'd use Brisebois is on the PP, and Carbo prefers Markov and Sergei on the right side. At least OB has upside and can be physical.

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11-20-2008, 10:47 AM
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He's not struggling to keep up per se. He's not made for top 6 D work anymore and he's being paid like a 7th, which is what he should be or was supposed to be. He's got what? 1 hit and 1 goal this season? I just remember wondering if that was Breezer actually knocing someone down with a bodycheck.
he's not that fast, but it's not like he's a couple steps behind the play (all the time).

Either way, next season, no more Breezer, Dandenault and Begin. We'll be able to bring up a young D from the farm and/or hopefully sign a decent defenceman that could be responsible in the zone.

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11-20-2008, 11:07 AM
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Brisebois definitely is past his prime.. but we all know he's getting his 1,000 games in.. so we might as well just sit back and let it happen. He's got 40 games to go.. and if he doesn't get them in this year.. he'll be back next year until he does.

On a positive note, he's only been on the ice for THREE opposing goals this season, while sitting with a +2 rating. He also very rarely takes penalties.

He's not supposed to be playing in the Top-6.. but injuries have forced that. It's a shame and it may not be best for the team.. but it's what we have right now.

I know I'm a bit biased as well.. and I know he hasn't been great.. but I really, really don't think he's been that bad. He's made some good passes and he shoots on the PP (though its not a great shot).. and that's something our other players need to take note of.

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To me our biggest problems are we're having trouble getting out of our own zone, and then defensive zone coverage.

The forwards have often left the zone too early, putting pressure on our d to make perfect passes. This has caused our normally effective transition game to sputter. I think Carbo/Jarvis/Muller should go old school with the break out. Wingers with their buts on the boards, at the top of the face-off circle, providing a stable outlet for the d... compliment this with the centre circling back to the puck-side in case the d-man needs a second option (if the opposing forwards take-away the wingers). Old School. Fundamentals. That's what you go to when things aren't working. Do the little things right.

As a fromer minor hockey d-man at a rec-level, I feel I'm qualified to say it's the forwards fault.

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I prefer O'Byrne to Brisebois, any day. The only place I'd use Brisebois is on the PP, and Carbo prefers Markov and Sergei on the right side. At least OB has upside and can be physical.
Potentially he has upside, but his play so far this year doesn't show that. I mean for years, Patrick Traverse had upside too, but any team he played on, would of been much better off not playing him.

I don't mind seeing one of Brisebois and O'byrne playing every game, but it is scary to see both of them in the lineup.

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Brisebois definitely is past his prime.. but we all know he's getting his 1,000 games in.. so we might as well just sit back and let it happen. He's got 40 games to go.. and if he doesn't get them in this year.. he'll be back next year until he does.

On a positive note, he's only been on the ice for THREE opposing goals this season, while sitting with a +2 rating. He also very rarely takes penalties.

He's not supposed to be playing in the Top-6.. but injuries have forced that. It's a shame and it may not be best for the team.. but it's what we have right now.

I know I'm a bit biased as well.. and I know he hasn't been great.. but I really, really don't think he's been that bad. He's made some good passes and he shoots on the PP (though its not a great shot).. and that's something our other players need to take note of.
I agree with you 100%!

Brisebois is doing the job.

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Potentially he has upside, but his play so far this year doesn't show that. I mean for years, Patrick Traverse had upside too, but any team he played on, would of been much better off not playing him.

I don't mind seeing one of Brisebois and O'byrne playing every game, but it is scary to see both of them in the lineup.

If O'Byrne knew you had compared him to Traverse, he'd be very angry with you!

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If O'Byrne knew you had compared him to Traverse, he'd be very angry with you!

Actually when I typed Traverse's name, I almost threw up.

I'm not comparing the two of them, O'Byrne is a much stronger player on his skates, is more physical, and even if he doesn't develop past what he is now, still has better hockey sense.

Patrick Traverse is/was the combination between the worst things of Patrice Brisebois and Ryan O'byrne.

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breakwood looks terrible out there! bad positioning turnover eek. yes i would rather see dandenault at this point unfortunately.

where is niinima when u need him? lol

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Breezer needs to go! Hes too slow and backs away from going into the corners for the puck. He should have retired last two years ago!!!

Bye Bye Breezer

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Breezer needs to go! Hes too slow and backs away from going into the corners for the puck. He should have retired last two years ago!!!

Bye Bye Breezer
He should of retired after coming off a career year?

Okay then.

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If O'Byrne knew you had compared him to Traverse, he'd be very angry with you!
well someone should show him tapes cause hes playing just like him!!

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I'd rather replace O'Byrne with Dandenault actually.

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Dandenault over Brisebois sounds like bad porno.

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I'd rather replace O'Byrne with Dandenault actually.

I was just looking at their stats on nhl.com. O'B hits more (27-5) but gives the puck away more (12-5). Brisebois shoots a bit more but misses the net often. O'B also has more takeaways (6-1) but Brisebois' +/- is better.

O'B still has much more potential than Brisebois. I still wouldn't mind seeing if Dandy would be better than Brisebois short term.

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When we refer to potential do we mean potential like 2/3 years down the road, or is it closer to meaning with that physical make-up and skill set a player should be able to play at this level in any given game.

If the latter is the preferred definition: Here's how i'd see it

In any given game:
O'B has shown potential to play solid and physical - downside is extended zone coverage gets him out of position
Brisebois has a nice offensive potential - downside is he cracks under heavy forecheck
Dandenault has the potential to be steady and contribute a bit on the rush - downside is he's probably a bit rusty as he hasn't played d this year

To me this applies for both young players and veteran players (although it applies less to veterans who've already established their games). Young players reach their potential when they impose their game effectively on a more consistent basis. Darz said it best when comparing O'B to Traverse. If he can't find that consistency his skill set and size are not going to help us.

Komisarek's return should help restore the top-4. Hopefully one of these players can find a consistent game with less minutes/pressure.

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O'Byrne over Brisebois and Dandenault.
even Shawn Belle over the last two.

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There never were any reason to sign Brisebois again since we already had a 7th D already under contract in Dandenault.

I hate both and they both suck big time but at least with Dandenault we didn't have the choice to have him under contract for this year.

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O'Byrne over Brisebois and Dandenault.
even Shawn Belle over the last two.


Have you seen him play? He's ****ing horrible.

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When we refer to potential do we mean potential like 2/3 years down the road, or is it closer to meaning with that physical make-up and skill set a player should be able to play at this level in any given game.

If the latter is the preferred definition: Here's how i'd see it

In any given game:
O'B has shown potential to play solid and physical - downside is extended zone coverage gets him out of position
Brisebois has a nice offensive potential - downside is he cracks under heavy forecheck
Dandenault has the potential to be steady and contribute a bit on the rush - downside is he's probably a bit rusty as he hasn't played d this year

To me this applies for both young players and veteran players (although it applies less to veterans who've already established their games). Young players reach their potential when they impose their game effectively on a more consistent basis. Darz said it best when comparing O'B to Traverse. If he can't find that consistency his skill set and size are not going to help us.

Komisarek's return should help restore the top-4. Hopefully one of these players can find a consistent game with less minutes/pressure.
I did read your post ...

But come on

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Have you seen him play? He's ****ing horrible.
i have seen him in the pre-season.
Still he cant be that much worst than Brakewood and Dandenault, really!?

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I would try Dandenault on D for one reason.....we could easily do without O'Byrne and Brisebois.....we could probably need a little more guys like Bégin and Laraque in the lineup. So with Dandy on forward not only it means more of O'B and Brisebois, not only it means less of Bégin's energy but it also means more of Dandenault's ineffective play up front. I know he played better, skates hard and stuff but nothing happens with him.

I might change my mind after seeing 1 game on D with him, but I would try him there.....doesn't he practice on D anyway?

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