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11-20-2008, 10:45 PM
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I didn't particularly liked him in the preseason, but how about Henry? Though he would be my #6. Or you live and die with Weber (though he's not ready defensively...) and use him on the PP....
Mathias Brunet had an article in today's edition pf La Presse discussing the Bulldogs' players with their gm, Julien Brisebois. They talked about every high profile prospects and when they discussed defense, Brisebois mentionned Alex Henry's and the fact that his one-hundred-thirty-something games experience in the NHL might see him go up to Montréal before Weber or Carle. If someone has Gainey's ear, it's him.

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11-20-2008, 11:14 PM
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Not easy for a rookie to play with a team that plays as badly as this one.

If players feeds on the confidence of others.. I can't even begin to imagine how a rookie feels when everyone around him as about.. well, none.

Give the kid a break, you just can't judge a player considering the way this team play right now, we'll see at the end of the season.

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11-21-2008, 12:10 AM
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Not easy for a rookie to play with a team that plays as badly as this one.

If players feeds on the confidence of others.. I can't even begin to imagine how a rookie feels when everyone around him as about.. well, none.

Give the kid a break, you just can't judge a player considering the way this team play right now, we'll see at the end of the season.
I agree. Give the guy, and the entire team, some time and some faith. The Habs haven't suddenly & magically lost their skills since last year; they just need to find their groove.

O'Byrne still is a work in progress; in his 1st year, I remember Komisarek's play, and it wasn't always pretty. The entire team seems to lack confidence, nobody seems to want the puck. Tonight, even Hamrlik, who's usually a rock on D, was running around like a chicken with no head.

I'm happy that Carbo is giving O'Byrne ice time to get used to the NHL level of play; he needs that time to improve and the Canadiens need to see him play to evaluate his value appropriately. You can't judge a young D while he hasn't completed an entire season.

And, even though tonight's game was ugly (to say the least), Habs still got 2 points !


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11-21-2008, 12:42 AM
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Not easy for a rookie to play with a team that plays as badly as this one.

If players feeds on the confidence of others.. I can't even begin to imagine how a rookie feels when everyone around him as about.. well, none.

Give the kid a break, you just can't judge a player considering the way this team play right now, we'll see at the end of the season.
That doesnt excuse his numerous icing,turnovers, penalties and delay of game penalties. Gorges is way ahead of him and both has the same age playing in the same struggling team.

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11-21-2008, 01:13 AM
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That doesnt excuse his numerous icing,turnovers, penalties and delay of game penalties. Gorges is way ahead of him and both has the same age playing in the same struggling team.
It doesn't give any excuses, it only explain how a players come from bad to worse. Remember however that Gorges has 183 games played in the NHL while O'byrne has only 48.

I'm not saying O'byrne has been great or anything like that, I'm only saying that people need to stop being so hard on him and need to wait a bit more before judging him as a "piece of garbage that should not be playing in the NHL".

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11-21-2008, 01:33 AM
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That doesnt excuse his numerous icing,turnovers, penalties and delay of game penalties. Gorges is way ahead of him and both has the same age playing in the same struggling team.
Gorges has experience, he's starting his 4th year... O'byrne has none, starting his 1st year...

Let's not forget when Gorges was traded and started to play for us... and he did have experience at that time...


If Gorges is way ahead of him at the same age (and he is) it may be cause some coach was ready to live with his rookie mistakes on a daily basis... you know...


not his fault we have no better than a rookie to play 4th D right now...



Just hope when Komisarek's back that he and Gorges are switched so he can keep gaining experience on the 3rd pair playing 5 to 10 minutes a game... without costing us too much.

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11-21-2008, 01:34 AM
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I dont think he gets that much heat. Maybe from here but not all that much on the media. The Kostitsyn brothers bashing from the media is way worse compared to Obyrne.

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11-21-2008, 01:52 AM
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I dont think he gets that much heat. Maybe from here but not all that much on the media. The Kostitsyn brothers bashing from the media is way worse compared to Obyrne.
true, it's mostly here.

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11-21-2008, 01:55 AM
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Gorges has experience, he's starting his 4th year... O'byrne has none, starting his 1st year...
Let's also not forget how horrible was Gorges when we first acquired him. I think he was -2 on his first 2 shifts in Montreal. He was all lost on the ice, which is why some people called him "Curious Gorges". He was as bad as O'Byrne right now, but he slowly gained confidence midway last season. As for O'B, I've not seen ANY improvement and he doesn't have any upside.

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11-21-2008, 02:19 AM
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Let's also not forget how horrible was Gorges when we first acquired him. I think he was -2 on his first 2 shifts in Montreal. He was all lost on the ice, which is why some people called him "Curious Gorges". He was as bad as O'Byrne right now, but he slowly gained confidence midway last season. As for O'B, I've not seen ANY improvement and he doesn't have any upside.
took over a year to see something interesting from Gorges, think we can wait another 10/20 games to see if O'Byrne can improve (even a little)

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11-21-2008, 02:36 AM
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took over a year to see something interesting from Gorges, think we can wait another 10/20 games to see if O'Byrne can improve (even a little)
But the thing is... he was doing a decent job last season. He is actually more on a downhill than showing any improvements over last year.

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11-21-2008, 02:54 AM
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But the thing is... he was doing a decent job last season. He is actually more on a downhill than showing any improvements over last year.
Ups and Downs, that's how it goes with rookies usually... and he's on a down right now.

If anything though, Carbonneau could really help him (and the team) by playing him on the 3rd pair, seeing how Gorges is the one used on the 1st pair when Komisarek's injured (like last year) it's obvious O'Byrne is not the 4th D, so let's use him like a 6th D, that what he is right now anyway... IF he improves then you put him back with Hamrlik. If he doesnt improve, well at least he doesnt cost you as much

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11-21-2008, 09:26 AM
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He sux because RDS tells me so.

The guy is developing into a good, large, mobile defenceman. He makes less mistakes with every pasing game.

There is not one D in Hamilton which could step into the role that he is playing right now.

Unglue your hands from the panic button.

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11-21-2008, 03:09 PM
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Let's also not forget how horrible was Gorges when we first acquired him. I think he was -2 on his first 2 shifts in Montreal. He was all lost on the ice, which is why some people called him "Curious Gorges". He was as bad as O'Byrne right now, but he slowly gained confidence midway last season. As for O'B, I've not seen ANY improvement and he doesn't have any upside.
A 6'5" mobile D-man who used to have a very solid first pass has no upside? None?? Are you out of your freaking mind?

But, yes god does he ever suck right now.

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11-21-2008, 03:32 PM
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He sux because RDS tells me so.

The guy is developing into a good, large, mobile defenceman. He makes less mistakes with every pasing game.

There is not one D in Hamilton which could step into the role that he is playing right now.

Unglue your hands from the panic button.
No he doesn't...

Gorges wasn't good nor did Komi at their Beginning, but they weren't taking stupid penalities at the worst possible time nor were they on the ice for most of the winning goals against.

I've been very patient with O'Byrne... I still think he can be a good defensive d-man, but right now, he's absolutely useless and a danger each time he's on the ice. He needs to go to the Press box and possibly in Hamilton, if he doesn't have to go threw waivers... Komisarek injurie, in that matter, couldn't come at a worst time.

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11-21-2008, 03:53 PM
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We'll agree to disagree.

I think you may have forgotten Komi's first year.... and Gorges first year was with the Sharks.

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O'Byrne is a big Teddy Bear who has zero toughness. This guy doesn't have a mean streak and never will. At best, if he learns how to play defense, he'll become the second coming of Peter Popovic.
There's a blast from the miserable past. If only he had been as good at defending the front of the net as he was at defending his soft play to critics -- he said once that playing mean just wasn't his game, and that, basically, the team should just accept it. Yikes. Thanks Pete.

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11-24-2008, 08:54 PM
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nice goal man.

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11-24-2008, 08:56 PM
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I hope he makes it out of the Bell Centre alive.

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I hope he makes it out of the Bell Centre alive.
I don't

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at the fans chanting O'Byrne.

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11-24-2008, 09:12 PM
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Is this the thread where we say who should be in Hamilton?

Because if it is, Sergei Kostitsyn...
What?

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11-24-2008, 09:18 PM
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Hey I feel sorry for the kid. He hadn't played bad tonight at all. That was just a total fluke. Now everybody wants to ship him to Hamilton. Good grief get a grip.

We totally outplayed those guys and failed to finish. And once again failed to score in the shootout. lots of missed opportunities. That should have been a fluke 3rd goal with us winning 6 to 3

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he's useless imo. But I do feel bad for him.

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The guy will be a good player. Just zero confidence right now.

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