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11-21-2008, 03:58 PM
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Just posted in the SJ-PIT board and it got me thinking, how about a trade between two teams with players who are struggling with their respective clubs and might just need a change of scenary and some new surroundings. Think this trade fits under the salary cap for both teams as well.


TO SAN JOSE:
Maxim Afinogenov

TO BUFFALO:
Jonathan Cheechoo

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11-21-2008, 04:07 PM
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Just posted in the SJ-PIT board and it got me thinking, how about a trade between two teams with players who are struggling with their respective clubs and might just need a change of scenary and some new surroundings. Think this trade fits under the salary cap for both teams as well.


TO SAN JOSE:
Maxim Afinogenov

TO BUFFALO:
Jonathan Cheechoo
Cheechoo has a $3 mil cap hit, Afino has a $3.333 mil cap hit. The last I saw the Sharks had about $500k in available cap space. So on that front, I would say no.

On a purely player note, I still wouldn't do it. Cheechoo hasn't played that bad in SJ this season, and he's a notoriously slow starter. He might get traded in the off season, but I don't see him being traded during season at all.

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Cheechoo has a $3 mil cap hit, Afino has a $3.333 mil cap hit. The last I saw the Sharks had about $500k in available cap space. So on that front, I would say no.

On a purely player note, I still wouldn't do it. Cheechoo hasn't played that bad in SJ this season, and he's a notoriously slow starter. He might get traded in the off season, but I don't see him being traded during season at all.
For the most part I agree. In addition, isn't Max a UFA, because I want a long term asset if we trade Cheech. However, I will say this is the type of move I would expect the Sharks to make if Cheech is moved, a sideways move for a player who better fits the system. That said, I think Buffalo would rather keep Max for the same reason the Sharks may prefer him, both teams are built off of speed. Also, both teams have good RW depth.

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11-21-2008, 04:20 PM
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For the most part I agree. In addition, isn't Max a UFA, because I want a long term asset if we trade Cheech. However, I will say this is the type of move I would expect the Sharks to make if Cheech is moved, a sideways move for a player who better fits the system. That said, I think Buffalo would rather keep Max for the same reason the Sharks may prefer him, both teams are built off of speed. Also, both teams have good RW depth.
Yes, Max is a UFA at season end. However, if Cheechoo is moved, I expect it to be for picks or prospects. The Sharks will probably want to keep Clowe, and if Morris can stay healthy he might be ready to step up next season. Not to mention the Sharks may want cap space to try and keep Mike Grier. So in the end, if Cheechoo goes, it's almost certainly going to be for good prospects that are still several years away, or the best draft picks DW can wrangle.

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11-21-2008, 04:53 PM
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Cheechoo doesn't fill a need for us--a center. Now, if we could get our hands on Pavelski...

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Cheechoo doesn't fill a need for us--a center. Now, if we could get our hands on Pavelski...
You won't get Little Joe.. but Goc will probably be available. He might even be available as soon as Mitchell is healthy.

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You won't get Little Joe.. but Goc will probably be available. He might even be available as soon as Mitchell is healthy.
when's mitchell projected to be back?

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You won't get Little Joe.. but Goc will probably be available. He might even be available as soon as Mitchell is healthy.
What's the deal with Goc? All I know is that he doesn't develop well in EHM.

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Why would SJ change anything right now?

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Doug Wilson probably wouldn't do this deal. He's not been one for straight swaps as a lot of the times they are seemed as lateral moves, which this one is. Besides, Cheech can be used as a checking line winger if Clowe squeezes him out of the top six. There's no real place for Afinogenov on this team anyway. I think Ryane Clowe would outplay him as well considering Clowe's specific role on the team that is independent from whatever line he's on that night.

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Doug Wilson probably wouldn't do this deal.
If he did, he'd need his head checking. This is a horrible deal for San Jose...

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11-21-2008, 05:42 PM
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when's mitchell projected to be back?
He just started skating again in the last couple of days.. so probably not for at least a couple of weeks. But the Sharks also have Plihal who is a natural center playing wing.. so they have options.

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no deal

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when's mitchell projected to be back?
I believe in one of his blogs (on the Sharks home page) he said he's trying to be back around Christmas time.

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eh, afinegenov (spelled wrong probably, idc) would work well in this system, but we just don't have room for him.

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What would be wanted for Little Joe Pavelski

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11-22-2008, 08:46 AM
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cheechoo is better than afingenov, except at skating

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What would be wanted for Little Joe Pavelski
More than anyone would be willing to give.

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ok you could atleast say something. Stafford, Tallinder for Pavelski?

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11-23-2008, 10:20 AM
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I doubt that would ever work, if your talking about moving Pavs, you're looking at a gross overpayment, more than anyone would be willing to give probably, Buffalo doesn't have anyone that would be worth getting for Pavs and remaining under the cap.

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ok you could atleast say something. Stafford, Tallinder for Pavelski?
There's just no interest to mess with this team. They're just too good to make a change like that.

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ok you could atleast say something. Stafford, Tallinder for Pavelski?
The Sharks have no need to make a trade, hence it's not really worth thinking about what a good offer would be.

Pavelski is still young, on a rather cheap contract and filling an important position on the team. To get the Sharks to listen, you would need a young, cheap player who is established in the NHL and even better than Pavelski, both right now and in the future. The difference would have to be significant, because otherwise it would just be a lateral move, and that's not something the league leading team would do.

Or in other words, the prospects Buffalo could offer don't mean anything to San Jose, and the only players who are good enough to match Pavelski's importance and skill are way too expensive. A package deal is also out of question.

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If cap space weren't an issue.

A gross overpayment would ahve to be something like a lateral player, probably a LW, but deffinetly a wing, who has speed and hands. Plus a 1st rounder depending on the player swapped.

If the sharks trade ANYONE this season, they will want a 1st rounder+, absolutely no doubt. Pavelski is cheap, has tremendous hockey sense, great hands, and skates fairly well. All that asside, no way they trade Pav's for anything. We want the cup this year, Pavelski makes the second line tick, no way DW takes a risk with his second line chemistry.

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Cheechoo doesn't fill a need for us--a center. Now, if we could get our hands on Pavelski...
Even Cheechoo is a big over payment for Afinogenov, there is NO WAY they give you Pavelski for him.

If you are lucky this is what you get for Afinogenov:

*someone claims him when he's put on waivers

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