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11-23-2008, 09:45 PM
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What if Bouwmeester cost...

Plekanec + Halak + one of O'Byrne/prospect D [Fischer, Subban, Weber]

Seems like a lot, but Plekanec is gonna be restricted after this year, Halak will never play more that 20-25 games behind Price, and Montreal is knee deep in young D-men. It would give Florida the rights to a relatively young, fast and skilled centre [which they need], a solid young back-up for Vokoun this year and beyond, and a young D with upside to replace Bouwmeester going forward [O'Byrne has struggled, but he has the size and speed to be decent blueliner for years to come].

Montreal would get an elite top 4 D of Markov-Komisarek and Hamrlik-Bouwmeester that could log tonnes of minutes and play both sides of the puck [a 3rd pair could be Bouillion and Gorges, thereby keeping Brisebois in the press box]. Moving Plekanec would give more minutes to Lang and possibly allow Chipchura to get some 3-4 line duty [by all accounts he has been playing great in the AHL], and Denis could replace Halak as Price's back-up.

I really don't see Florida paying Bouwmeester 6+ million per year on a long-term deal so I think they will be moving him, and Montreal has got as much as anyone to offer....thoughts?.......

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You forgot that we can also sign Sundin for league minimum to replace Plekanec.

How does this help Florida? Sorry, this is not EA sports.

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Do Panthers really need a backup goalie? Anderson isn't doing bad, is he?

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11-23-2008, 09:57 PM
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Hell no...

Forget about J-Bo, he'll probably cost too much and we can't afford him and Komi... however if Komi ask for 5mil or more, i'd prefer paying J-B 7mil than Komi 5mil... so...

Anyway... trading Pleks is the dumbest move we could make right now unless it's for another well established and signed no1 center.

Think more about Liles, Ohlund and cie...

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Plekanec + Halak + one of O'Byrne/prospect D [Fischer, Subban, Weber]

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...and Denis could replace Halak as Price's back-up.

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No he cannot.

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I'm not for trading a young center who basically got 70 pts last year while being stellar on face-offs and defensively, especially since we don't have much in the system and Saku and Lang aren't getting younger.

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11-23-2008, 10:02 PM
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You forgot that we can also sign Sundin for league minimum to replace Plekanec.

How does this help Florida? Sorry, this is not EA sports.
Pittsburgh got Hossa for Christensen, Armstrong and Esposito [and a pick]. I don't think it's that outrageous...

Halak is a good goalie with upside, and I don't think they have many great goalie prospects in the system [Markstrom maybe]. Plekanec could help their offence.

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You do it..it's a simple as that.
Plekanec can be repalced by Lang to Centre Kovalev short term.
Also you can call up Ben Maxwell to C the third line.

No way Florida makes that deal though!

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Pittsburgh got Hossa for Christensen, Armstrong and Esposito [and a pick]. I don't think it's that outrageous...

Halak is a good goalie with upside, and I don't think they have many great goalie prospects in the system [Markstrom maybe]. Plekanec could help their offence.
Yeah I know it is always possible but probable? Not.

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Liles might be a good pick up. Maybe a Halak and ? for Liles

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Liles might be a good pick up. Maybe a Halak and ? for Liles
He's signed for another 3 years at 4.2 million a year after this year... we can't be taking on any more big salaries this off-season as we have enough free agents to worry about.

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11-23-2008, 10:10 PM
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You do it..it's a simple as that.
Plekanec can be repalced by Lang to Centre Kovalev short term.
Also you can call up Ben Maxwell to C the third line.

No way Florida makes that deal though!
I wouldn't do it...Plekanec is a key for our future, as we are thin on young center. Koivu might be gone after this season, and we won't re-sign Lang, so who would play in the middle next year?

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Terrible cost. If JM askes that, BG tells him to go **** himself.

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I'm not for trading a young center who basically got 70 pts last year while being stellar on face-offs and defensively, especially since we don't have much in the system and Saku and Lang aren't getting younger.
Fair enough, but can they keep both Higgins and Plekanec going forward? Obviously Lang is a stop-gap solution, and I agree that there is not much in the system in terms of good centres, but I am also not sure that Plekanec will ever be more than a 65 point guy [not that there is anything wrong with that].

I guess I was thinking more of what the Habs defence would look like with Bouwmeester in it...The playoffs with a top four D who can each play 25 solid minutes a night would be deadly...


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Plekanec + Halak + one of O'Byrne/prospect D [Fischer, Subban, Weber]

Seems like a lot, but Plekanec is gonna be restricted after this year, Halak will never play more that 20-25 games behind Price, and Montreal is knee deep in young D-men. It would give Florida the rights to a relatively young, fast and skilled centre [which they need], a solid young back-up for Vokoun this year and beyond, and a young D with upside to replace Bouwmeester going forward [O'Byrne has struggled, but he has the size and speed to be decent blueliner for years to come].

Montreal would get an elite top 4 D of Markov-Komisarek and Hamrlik-Bouwmeester that could log tonnes of minutes and play both sides of the puck [a 3rd pair could be Bouillion and Gorges, thereby keeping Brisebois in the press box]. Moving Plekanec would give more minutes to Lang and possibly allow Chipchura to get some 3-4 line duty [by all accounts he has been playing great in the AHL], and Denis could replace Halak as Price's back-up.

I really don't see Florida paying Bouwmeester 6+ million per year on a long-term deal so I think they will be moving him, and Montreal has got as much as anyone to offer....thoughts?.......
as per Pat Burns, they wanna save 3-4 million this year. They want forwards, So if they want to get players they would have to be cheap players under 2 million. Pleks is not signing for less than 4 million per year the way it is going around the nhl even with his sucky year coz he did more in the NHL than akosty and the later is paid 3.3 per year. Higgins is also gonna get 4 million.

The only option that I see are skosty, and a very good defence prospect who is close to nhl, most probably Yemelin.Now this is under the assumption that he is not a playoff rental which means that he will be signed before being traded.


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This gave me a good laugh.

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I wouldn't do it...Plekanec is a key for our future, as we are thin on young center. Koivu might be gone after this season, and we won't re-sign Lang, so who would play in the middle next year?
very simple,Mats Sundin!!

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very simple,Mats Sundin!!
But even then, it would solve the problem for a maximum of one and a half year, and free agency is costing too much...we need to keep Plekanec at this point.

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But even then, it would solve the problem for a maximum of one and a half year, and free agency is costing too much...we need to keep Plekanec at this point.
I agree and was being sarcastic,hopefully Saku will remain a Hab for life

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I think the deal you put together is pretty fair for both sides....

J-Bo is a stud Dman who will play almost half of every game.

Plek is a #2 center with offensive and d skills and responsible

Halak is #1 somewhere, just not here. Tomas Vokoun won't last forever, great tandem.

Add O'Byrne to sweeten the pot and give them a Dman back.

We have the talent to replace Plek in the near future.

We would miss Plek offence but flourish with B-man's D


I say YES, do it......6 mil

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Plekanec + Halak + one of O'Byrne/prospect D [Fischer, Subban, Weber]

Seems like a lot, but Plekanec is gonna be restricted after this year, Halak will never play more that 20-25 games behind Price, and Montreal is knee deep in young D-men. It would give Florida the rights to a relatively young, fast and skilled centre [which they need], a solid young back-up for Vokoun this year and beyond, and a young D with upside to replace Bouwmeester going forward [O'Byrne has struggled, but he has the size and speed to be decent blueliner for years to come].

Montreal would get an elite top 4 D of Markov-Komisarek and Hamrlik-Bouwmeester that could log tonnes of minutes and play both sides of the puck [a 3rd pair could be Bouillion and Gorges, thereby keeping Brisebois in the press box]. Moving Plekanec would give more minutes to Lang and possibly allow Chipchura to get some 3-4 line duty [by all accounts he has been playing great in the AHL], and Denis could replace Halak as Price's back-up.

I really don't see Florida paying Bouwmeester 6+ million per year on a long-term deal so I think they will be moving him, and Montreal has got as much as anyone to offer....thoughts?.......
That's way too much to pay for a rental.

Even though he is not playing that well right now, Plekanec is a guy I'd like to sign long term for a reasonable price. I think him alone is worth Bouwmeester if not more.

The best time to trade for JB is not now, wait until midseason when his cap hit is only 3 mil and Florida is resigned to the fact that he is leaving.

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Pittsburgh got Hossa for Christensen, Armstrong and Esposito [and a pick]. I don't think it's that outrageous...

Halak is a good goalie with upside, and I don't think they have many great goalie prospects in the system [Markstrom maybe]. Plekanec could help their offence.

Pittsburgh did not trade an established NHLer the calibre of Plekanec. Christienson and Armstrong were not top 6 forwards.

You guys are completely overlooking that this is a RENTAL player...unless BG wants to throw 7 mil for 5-6 years at JB but that throws the salary structure out of whack(Markov Hamrlik and Komi will cost around 15 mil next year) like Anaheim did last year with Schneider and they had no money left to add skill up front.

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I think the deal you put together is pretty fair for both sides....

J-Bo is a stud Dman who will play almost half of every game.

Plek is a #2 center with offensive and d skills and responsible

Halak is #1 somewhere, just not here. Tomas Vokoun won't last forever, great tandem.

Add O'Byrne to sweeten the pot and give them a Dman back.

We have the talent to replace Plek in the near future.

We would miss Plek offence but flourish with B-man's D


I say YES, do it......6 mil

Your math is ok except for the fact that you are trading 3 players under control for one that is a UFA on July 1st and will cost huge dollars to sign. He's a candidate to be overpaid like Wade Redden(who is making 6.5 but is worth 4.5-5). JB will get 7-7.5 and is worth about what Markov makes(5.5-6).

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Your math is ok except for the fact that you are trading 3 players under control for one that is a UFA on July 1st and will cost huge dollars to sign. He's a candidate to be overpaid like Wade Redden(who is making 6.5 but is worth 4.5-5). JB will get 7-7.5 and is worth about what Markov makes(5.5-6).
Sorry, I was assuming that Gainey signs Boumeester immediately .
Let me clarify that I would NOT do this if it was a rental.

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Sorry, I was assuming that Gainey signs Boumeester immediately .
Let me clarify that I would NOT do this if it was a rental.
Either way it's not a win...you really improve your top 4 on defense, but you create a hole at center. Instead of 3 quality offensive lines you suddenly have Lapierre on your 3rd line? Lang is doing fine on the 3rd line, but as a 2nd line guy he's not that great. Plus the only way JB signs an extension now is for big money(6.5/year minimum for 5-7 years). That puts you in a tough spot with Komisarek Kovy Koivu Tanguay, your defense suddenly eats up half your cap if you don't let Komi walk.

I don't see gainey making that trade.

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