Obviously O'Byrne deserves the blame for what happened at the end of this one. I'm not on board with the people who want to see him off the team for good, since he's young and still learning, but sure that was dumb.
I do think it's at least worth discussing whether Price left the crease a bit too early. When the penalty occurred, the puck was in the neutral zone in the Isles half of the ice... but it looks like by the time he was on his way to the bench, it was moving toward our end (played by Kostitsyn and then Markov along the boards). I know it's easy to second guess these things, but wouldn't it have been a smart play to either stay in the crease until the puck was in the offensive zone, or be watching the play so he could head back into the net once it started heading that way? Especially knowing that we were protecting a one-goal lead in the third period.
To be clear again, I AM NOT BLAMING PRICE FOR THIS GOAL. I'm just wondering if I'm the only one who thinks he might have left a little early, especially given the game circumstances.
I can't really blame Price. I'd like to see a rule in hockey where you can't have a goal scored with a delayed penality, regardless of it's a shot that missed the net or a pass or whatever. It's not something that happens too often though.
Disagree. I cringe every time he plays the puck. He always seems to give it away right to the other team, he needs to just keep it simple.
Agreed that I often cringe when he leaves the net to go play a puck but I think that has more to do with decision making than actual skill with the puck. There are few goaltenders who can make a long transition pass as well Price can.
he didn't think there was a penalty, i thought we covered this...
Yeah was going to say... or else why would he pass to price in the first place.
People actually watch the video, it was obvious just by watching it he didn't realize there was a penalty. I mean really where do you see an actual rule being broken anywhere on the ice that merits a penalty for the isles?
He didn't know there was a penalty, and in the motion of throwing the puck to what he thought was Price in the net, he realized what he just did. All in the video. Plus, postgame he said he didn't know that there was a penalty.
You can't blame Price at all for that one. Think about it logically - like it would ever cross anyone's mind that their own player would throw the puck in the net...the worst that should happen in that situation is that the Isles touch the puck and the play goes dead. He obviously should have been pulled, it's basic hockey sense.
While I agree that some are being too hard on O'Byrne, there is one thing that I've noticed so far.
People, and he, are saying that he meant to pass it to Price, and you guys are noting that it's an uncommon but feasible play for people to send the puck back to a goalie particularly if he's a good puck handler.
I guess my question is this, how often have we seen anyone on the Habs do that this season? I can't really recall any situations where the puck was passed directly on net to Price, but maybe I just have a selective memory.
An honest mistake though, hopefully he can work his way through this.
If they practiced it often, thats ok since Brodeur will always be ready and prepared to receive a pass but i bet any coach wouldnt want to see that. You never know if the pucks will get a crazy bound or whatever so you do take the chance to ask your goalie to stop pucks from the both teams in the ice.
Like i said, you never know what will happen to a puck coming toward the net. See Brodeur here, he's the number 1
That video is great because it shows that even veterans make stupid mistakes, all kinds of mistakes.
Do you really think that players look before making every pass?
That kind of play happens once every little while to every kind of players, it happened to O'Byrne it's done nothing we can do about it and no reason to change everything cause he passed in his own net for the first time since he turned pro.
What about communication on the ice? How could nobody shout "delayed call" to make sure everyone knew? You'd think someone would do that as a matter of course, so everyone's on the same page.
There's a lot of shouldas and couldas that can be said after the fact. I would bet that there are many many delayed penalties that get called where nobody shouts "delayed call". I agree that it would be a good idea to get in the habit of saying this, but you can't blame anyone for not shouting it.
It was a freak play. Everything went wrong and it was a mistake that cost us the game.
Obviously not. That's why I added 'to the goalie' to my sentence. You should certainly take a quick peek before you do that. I mean, the guy could be Drydening over there, you never know.
Yeah well, i doubt Price would do such a much. I know what you mean, but what are the odds that there's a delay penality when you pass to the goalie. Also confidence is an issue for him right now, he prolly didnt want to turn the puck over in the D zone and he kinda panicked, made a play quicker then he would usually do and the timing was really bad.I'm pretty sure that if he was at 100% mentally he wouldnt have even been ina position where he had to pass to Price.
Fyi Saturday Night Game Against Boston When A D-man Pinches Deep In Offensive Zone , A Forward Takes His Place At The Blueline. Kovalev Took O Byrne 's Place And Then Failed To Skate Hard Enough To Keep Up With His Check. That Goal Was Not O Byrne Fault At All 100% Kovalev's Fault
The right time for the goalie to leave the crease is RIGHT AWAY as soon as he knows who the penalty is against. Plays like this just happen so rarely I can't believe people are actually thinking this will change the way the game is played. If anything, players will think a little bit more before passing the puck near the crease, which they should know in the first place. Plays like this are just a reminder not to be careless.
Edit: Just saw the Wallin and Backstrom goals haha...after being reminded of these, I think we can say that as long as O'Byrne puts this behind him and plays well, this will be forgotten soon enough. I just hope he plays well enough not to make this his legacy...I think he can.
To me there is just a few things that botters me... If you are going to pass to your goalie you should at least make sure he is looking in your direction because you can still score in your own net. Now that its behind there are few other things that ticked me yesterday ...
How about Brisebois who was supposly hurt left in the middle of the play in his own zone and came back the shift after, this is not paying the price to win a game ..?
How about this stupid cross ice pass from Obyrne in the first period ... that was just as bad IMO.
I like Obyrne I whish him the best but I hope we will use him at Brisebois's place and get some help from hamilton (Carle or Webber). These guys could help our PP and would better suit a guy like Hamerlik then Obyrne IMO.