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11-25-2008, 01:25 PM
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IF we, do not resign Nitty, how much cap room will that clear up?

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You know, I really can't stand Mike Knuble. I bash him all the time. But let's look at the facts. 29 goals last year, 24 in 06-07 when we totally sucked and he only played 64 games (and he was a + player).

I mean, he kills me out there. I rip my hair out because of him. But the bottom line is that somehow, someway, he scores goals. Don't see the harm in keeping him around when I'm honest.
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IF we, do not resign Nitty, how much cap room will that clear up?
I think, if he, gets traded...we'd save, around 1...mill, ion, dollars.


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IF we, do not resign Nitty, how much cap room will that clear up?
First of all, I am all for letting Nitty go after this year. Maybe trade him at the deadline. He's in line for another raise (in the Paul Holmgren world of finance) that he hasn't earned and shouldn't be paid for 20 starts.

Second of all, the savings based on his "mandatory 10% increase" could be up to $1M depending on how cheap your next back-up is.

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Yeah, i definitely would like to see Nitty go. I'd rather have a young gun/prospect as a backup

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IF we, do not resign Nitty, how much cap room will that clear up?
None. He'd be replaced with someone that makes around the same amount...

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Yeah, i definitely would like to see Nitty go. I'd rather have a young gun/prospect as a backup
but then we risk losing to the thrashers! :gasp:

i'm ok with resigning knuble, but anything more than a 1year contract at this point is too risky. wonder how much biron is looking to make.

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You know, I really can't stand Mike Knuble. I bash him all the time. But let's look at the facts. 29 goals last year, 24 in 06-07 when we totally sucked and he only played 64 games (and he was a + player).

I mean, he kills me out there. I rip my hair out because of him. But the bottom line is that somehow, someway, he scores goals. Don't see the harm in keeping him around when I'm honest.
I agree 100%.

Moving Nitty won't save money, especially if we want to have a decent back-up that doesn't cost a lot. We don't really have any NHL back-up goalies in our system except for Aubin and I'd rather have Nitty.

If we move anyone, its Lupul. Love Lupul, but it's purely based on his salary for next year. He's just getting too much for what he does or doesn't do. At least with Hartnell we get a PKer, and even then he still has a high contract. Gotta make a cut somewhere and the best place to start is with a 3rd line player who gets over-paid.

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I think what will happen is Biron re-signing with a slight raise and Knuble re-signing with the same rate he currently has.
I think this is the most likely situation. Biron for 3 years and 11 mil, Knuble for 2 years and 4.5 mil (slight decrease).

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11-25-2008, 02:55 PM
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Yes, they will be, but I will maintain until the day I die that losing Upshall for cap reasons is just stupid.
I agree, how can replacing Upshall's 1.25 mil contract with someone only 400k cheaper NECCESSARY for cap management. That's an almost insignificant cap difference.

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Well Upshall is due a new contract too.

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11-25-2008, 03:45 PM
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either Lupul or Upshall has to going into season. Right now Lupul is vastly overpaid given what he has done. So unless we find a sucker for Lupul then I think Upshall is gone at the 09 draft if not before. As much as I hate to think that way.
Knuble just keeps giving me reasons to not hate him. he still continues to score big goals for this team. If he was brought back for a 1 or 2 year deal for 1.5 to 2 million I could deal with it.

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I think Lupul has to go unless he really starts to pick up his play and looks like Lupul pre-Hatcher smashing. Trade him at the draft for picks/prospects.

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I'm not giving up on Lupul yet.
He's definitely streaky.
Hopefully he hits a hot streak soon

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Agree. If anything he was slowing Gagne and Richards down last night. I realise he scored twice but if the first goal hadn't been tipped in by a Stars player it would have been a typical Knuble near miss, and the second goal was all Gagne/Richards.
Knuble is a great guy to have around, and I'd like to see him playing on the 2nd or even 3rd line next season but nothing more than that.
what??? those were both very nice goals

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Here's what I see about Knuble...his play rarely hurts us, and he finds ways to score goals. Some of them are almost by accident, but the point is that he is able to score goals that way. They're guys you win with, especially in the playoffs.

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You know, I really can't stand Mike Knuble. I bash him all the time. But let's look at the facts. 29 goals last year, 24 in 06-07 when we totally sucked and he only played 64 games (and he was a + player).

I mean, he kills me out there. I rip my hair out because of him. But the bottom line is that somehow, someway, he scores goals. Don't see the harm in keeping him around when I'm honest.
haha awesome post.

I'm kind of the same way. I really like him...but he's a logical piece to move/let go.

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haha awesome post.

I'm kind of the same way. I really like him...but he's a logical piece to move/let go.
Seriously, whenever I bash him in a GDT, he ALWAYS does well in that game, without exception. I'll talk about how he sucks in the 1st period and he'll score the GW PP goal in the 3rd. I should probably start just doing it every game, but I don't want to mess with the hockey gods or anything. I think they make him play well just to spite me.

I've pretty much given up on disliking him, I just feel neutral towards him now.

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Knuble ain't goin' anywhere, baby. I hear Holmgren is planning to give him an extension just like Richards. Once he gets up around 47 or 48 years old, we might have to limit him to being strictly a PP specialist...he'll prolly be using his stick as a cane by then to get around out there. That's alright though, he'll still be good for 30-35 goals...he'll pot about 15 off his skates, 10-15 deflections off his cane, and another 5 or 10 off an opposing player's body. Three cheers for Knuble!

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Knuble is an All-Star in a 20 ft. radius around the net...the problem is everywhere else, especially when he's playing with a skating line. His goal from Richards is a case in point...he gets into the play because Richards stops and waits for him. Great play by Richards, but it's a case in point where Knuble wouldn't have been involved if the play had been made at high speed w/out patience.

The problem with this observations is that drawback to Knuble's game is going to get worse, not better. How long do his skills around the net outweigh the problem he can be everywhere else on the ice.

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Yeah hopefully if he is kept around We can actually just have him take a 4th line shift with PP time.

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Probably has a zero % chance of fitting under the cap.

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Here's what I see about Knuble...his play rarely hurts us, and he finds ways to score goals. Some of them are almost by accident, but the point is that he is able to score goals that way. They're guys you win with, especially in the playoffs.
I'd rather make the playoffs with a 36 year old hasbeen that has continuously and consistently put up points and (what have you done for me lately) has put up better numbers than his younger counterpart. Upshall may have energy and speed, but Ross has energy and speed and so does Kalinski and the hundred other young guns we have on the Phantoms.

I'd rather trade Upshall now and get some value for him and watch some other team pay him his millions because he was a former first round pick who is all potential and not much else.

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Knuble is an All-Star in a 20 ft. radius around the net...the problem is everywhere else, especially when he's playing with a skating line. His goal from Richards is a case in point...he gets into the play because Richards stops and waits for him. Great play by Richards, but it's a case in point where Knuble wouldn't have been involved if the play had been made at high speed w/out patience.

The problem with this observations is that drawback to Knuble's game is going to get worse, not better. How long do his skills around the net outweigh the problem he can be everywhere else on the ice.
Watch his two goals from yesterday. His first one, he had a burst of speed and went around his defender and slid in on Turco. On his second one, yes, Richards had to wait, but also look at the play BEFORE the goal. Gags and Richards were up ice while Knuble was either on the bench or out of the play completely. He came barrelling up pretty quickly to score that goal. He's not a blazer and I'm not trying to make him out to be, but those goals were due to his play outside your 20 ft radius.

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Watch his two goals from yesterday. His first one, he had a burst of speed and went around his defender and slid in on Turco. On his second one, yes, Richards had to wait, but also look at the play BEFORE the goal. Gags and Richards were up ice while Knuble was either on the bench or out of the play completely. He came barrelling up pretty quickly to score that goal. He's not a blazer and I'm not trying to make him out to be, but those goals were due to his play outside your 20 ft radius.
I missed his first, but the 2nd was definitely within the 20 ft radius. Get him the puck around the net and he's very good. Get him the puck in the neutral zone and it's a disaster.

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