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11-25-2008, 10:18 PM
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lol i actually think gorges has one of the worst shots on our team...
i love him as a player, but i duno about his shot....last year it was brutal...but he seems to have been working on it along with everything else....

it's better but not quite yet...

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11-25-2008, 10:19 PM
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I would prefer Pierre Dagenais to Josh Gorges on the PP.


1 game really doesn't mean anything. There's no harm in trying him out, however. As I recall Rivet showed moments of brilliance as a right D on the PP, with an occasional clutch pinch or a powerful shot, but 80% of the time he was inadequate, which is the problem.

To quote Pierre Houde,: " Voila le tir, Oh, dIIIIIIIIrectement sur le joueur adverse"

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11-25-2008, 11:01 PM
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No offense against Gorges, who has really stepped up this year. But if he's getting considered to be our "Shooter" on the PP, we are really in trouble.

We need someone who's shot will intimidate, sorry but Gorge's shot doesn't strike fear into anyone. I still would love to see A.Kost given that spot.

Totally agree with you here. Gorges is good, but he is not the answer. His offensive skills and vision are not good enough to be at the right point of the first powerplay unit. Let Sergei for a few games to see what happens.

While I think about it, is there something that I don't agree with you ?



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11-25-2008, 11:43 PM
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Yes, you are right on this one.
Other options would be to grab a PP specialist via trade. Corvo, Preissing, etc... I doubt Corvo is available. Any suggestions ?
It strikes me that now is not the time to goo the trade route, we ought to exhaust our internal options before using any assets to fix something while the answer may still exist under our noses.

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No offense against Gorges, who has really stepped up this year. But if he's getting considered to be our "Shooter" on the PP, we are really in trouble.

We need someone who's shot will intimidate, sorry but Gorge's shot doesn't strike fear into anyone. I still would love to see A.Kost given that spot.
You may well be right about Gorges, but hey, let's find out. Sergei looks to have the same thing going for him but Gorges just hasn't been tried enough in real games for a good comparison to be made.

I still worry it'd take A.Kost too far away from the area he needs to be playing in, to put him at the point. He does have that howitzer shot we want -- if nothing else works maybe we'll try the 5-forward PP sometime with the Kostitsyn Bros. on the point?

EDIT: Hey didn't the London Knights do that? I know NHL clubs have gone there.

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11-26-2008, 12:04 AM
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Totally agree with you here. Gorges is good, but he is not the answer. His offensive skills and vision are not good enough to be at the right point of the first powerplay unit. Let Sergei for a few games to see what happens.

While I think about it, is there something that I don't agree with you ?


Haha...great minds think a like Erika.

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It strikes me that now is not the time to goo the trade route, we ought to exhaust our internal options before using any assets to fix something while the answer may still exist under our noses.



You may well be right about Gorges, but hey, let's find out. Sergei looks to have the same thing going for him but Gorges just hasn't been tried enough in real games for a good comparison to be made.

I still worry it'd take A.Kost too far away from the area he needs to be playing in, to put him at the point. He does have that howitzer shot we want -- if nothing else works maybe we'll try the 5-forward PP sometime with the Kostitsyn Bros. on the point?

EDIT: Hey didn't the London Knights do that? I know NHL clubs have gone there.
I honestly wanted us to trade for a 4th D-man before Komisarek was injured. But I agree, Gainey is no longer dealing from a position of strength. So he would probably have to over pay for a quality D-man.

Well a good way to do it would be to try Gorges on the point on our 2nd unit. This way he would get some time to prove himself, and the risk would be smaller.

I'm not a big fan of 5 forwards on the PP for defensive reasons. So I would still want Markov to remain on the 1st unit.

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11-26-2008, 01:13 AM
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i heard he played on the PP when he player for kelowna! and he was also apparently the team captain!



his goal looked great on monday. i say give him another try.

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11-26-2008, 11:27 AM
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Wow i can't belive the comments here, just look at Souray's numbers before he turned it up a notch

1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 60 3 7 10
1998-99 New Jersey Devils NHL 70 1 7 8
1999-00 New Jersey Devils NHL 52 0 8 8
1999-00 Montreal Canadiens NHL 19 3 0 3
2000-01 Montreal Canadiens NHL 52 3 8 11
2001-02 Montreal Canadiens NHL 34 3 5 8

He was devoloped into the shooter he is now, as i've said numerous times, OUR PP SUCKS, WE ARE 23RD IN THE LEAGUE AND NOW WITH NOTHING TO LOSE Why not try Geoges? If it doesn't work, it doesn't. But to say that it's not even worth it, well that's ignorance at it's highest level. We need a shooter, Sergei doesn't cut it.

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11-26-2008, 11:43 AM
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We do have two lines for the PP, so we should keep on experimenting with Gorges and SKost. Both ahve potential and nobody should discount Gorges. You can't put a sealing on a young player.

Last year, people were surprised with Streit on the PP. Let us find a solution internally, I'm sure it exists, we just need time to tweek it.

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11-26-2008, 11:44 AM
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Wow i can't belive the comments here, just look at Souray's numbers before he turned it up a notch

1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 60 3 7 10
1998-99 New Jersey Devils NHL 70 1 7 8
1999-00 New Jersey Devils NHL 52 0 8 8
1999-00 Montreal Canadiens NHL 19 3 0 3
2000-01 Montreal Canadiens NHL 52 3 8 11
2001-02 Montreal Canadiens NHL 34 3 5 8

He was devoloped into the shooter he is now, as i've said numerous times, OUR PP SUCKS, WE ARE 23RD IN THE LEAGUE AND NOW WITH NOTHING TO LOSE Why not try Geoges? If it doesn't work, it doesn't. But to say that it's not even worth it, well that's ignorance at it's highest level. We need a shooter, Sergei doesn't cut it.
That's a common trend among fans. They tend to forget what the players were before they hit the limelight, forget that those players were also regarded as not being capable of doing, until they prove otherwise.

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11-26-2008, 12:00 PM
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I like how they are rewarding Gorges for his play lately and letting him get the PP time. He hasn't looked out of place imo and I would like to see more of him there, it couldn't hurt.

Sergei seems like much more of a playmaker and would be better served on the second unit quarterbacking imo.

As has been mentionned I wish AKost was taking the shots on the number one unit, the guys shot is ridiculous and we don't get to see it enough.

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11-26-2008, 12:04 PM
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That's a common trend among fans. They tend to forget what the players were before they hit the limelight, forget that those players were also regarded as not being capable of doing, until they prove otherwise.
I know there is, but i think Habs10Habs, and thus Erika (who would have thought) are acting delusional right now, nothing is working on the pp and Georges is actually the 1st player to score from the point with a slapper since a pretty long time. If one of those 2 were coach, nothing would ever change. It's about freackin time we stop with the rotating lines and start finding solutions to our problems. It's getting harder for me to keep my cool when the problems are so '' in your face'' obvious.

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11-26-2008, 12:11 PM
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Streit come back....

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11-26-2008, 12:51 PM
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The problem is less the shooter in itself but mostly the fact that the enemy PK unit fears a lot less the Kovalev shot or the Markov pass and they challenge the shooter more.

But I agree. Gorges was so full of win last years that giving him this opportunity makes total sense.

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11-26-2008, 01:30 PM
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just get anyone who likes to shoot on the point. markov, tanguay and sergei are all passers, teams arent scared about the point resulting in more pressure on players like kovalev. i remember seeing in one game during the powerplay, there were three players on kovalev. i suggest we just start shooting from the point, at least that way other teams will have to take them more seriously

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I know there is, but i think Habs10Habs, and thus Erika (who would have thought) are acting delusional right now, nothing is working on the pp and Georges is actually the 1st player to score from the point with a slapper since a pretty long time. If one of those 2 were coach, nothing would ever change. It's about freackin time we stop with the rotating lines and start finding solutions to our problems. It's getting harder for me to keep my cool when the problems are so '' in your face'' obvious.
Easy, Maxpac, go easy - all opinions and idea are here for discussion. How many times has it also been said that the team hasn't given enough time to let things "sink in" before going overboard changing things up?

Habs10Habs has also brought up using A.Kost, which would be a definite change from the norm.

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I think we should keep sergei there (on the first wave). I know he did not score but his vision and puck handling could is useful. His shot is still semi decent (he got a post the other night).

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11-26-2008, 02:13 PM
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Carbonneau gave him a spot on the pp and it worked. I liked the way he didn't try to kill everyone in front with his shots but he hit the net. I think we need that and you'll see him there tonight for sure.

While I really don't think Georges will be the kind of player Souray was, i agree that Souray did not seemed to be an offensive force before the 03-04 season. To be fair, I think he had a couple injuries that might have affect his play back then.

Georges is constantly getting better since we acquired him and he already have surpassed a lot of expectations. And like some other said our pp is 23rd in the league so anything different is worth a try. By the way, <insert a random kelowna captain joke>

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Change of pace from O'B, Lucic et cie.

I was of a mind to rotate S.Kost, Hamrlik and Brisebois until we figured out which one hit the net the most, and with the best force.

My thinking was that A.Kost & Kovelev ought to stay down low, in motion, to maximize their talents on the PP.

Watching last night, S.Kost still looks like the one of those 3 who can hit the net most of the time. Hamrlik and Brisebois seem to shoot harder but the key thing is that shots hit the net, so there's at least a) a scoring chance and b) a chance for a rebound.

Now, I never considered Gorges, but he scored a goal & his other shots looked pretty good all night. I know it's one game, but that's an experiment I'd like to continue for the next 10 games to see what's possible. It's not a blast, but it's more accurate than I remember. Was it just *his* night?

Did anyone else see the PP where Markov was on the left side, and Robert Lang was positioned on the right point as the shooter? Was it just that once shift, or did anyone see it happen again?

We need a shooter for the PP to work, it's a "Shooting" formation and we haven't solved this yet.
His shooting is no better than Tanguay, S,Kost or Brisebois...and is puckhandling is far below. Just because he scored a lucky PP goal off someone's skate doesn't suddenly make him a PP point man.

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11-26-2008, 03:24 PM
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I know there is, but i think Habs10Habs, and thus Erika (who would have thought) are acting delusional right now, nothing is working on the pp and Georges is actually the 1st player to score from the point with a slapper since a pretty long time. If one of those 2 were coach, nothing would ever change. It's about freackin time we stop with the rotating lines and start finding solutions to our problems. It's getting harder for me to keep my cool when the problems are so '' in your face'' obvious.
I think you should learn to read before calling me delusional. Who cares if Gorges scored from the point...it wasn't a powerful blast.

My point was that Gorges is not the solution because his shot is not a powerful one. Both Souray and Streit had canons from the point, Gorges does not.

Souray and Streit worked on the PP because they intimidated the other team with their shot. This opened up opportunities for the other players. Gorges does not intimidate anyone, and that is why I don't consider him to be the answer.


My answer like I've stated since the beginning of the season is A.Kost.


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