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11-26-2008, 11:51 PM
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If this is how he plays when he pissed, Ruff should sleep with Max's girl.


I like it.

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Max has spent most of his days in the NHL under Ruff. He needs a change. I honestly find it hard to believe there isnt a match somewhere. Most of the comments on this board are a joke. Max is a top 6 player who needs a pat on the back and strong support from linemates. That is how he can very effective. However, if hes expected to play like a 3rd liner constantly, it spells disaster. He needs to play with guys who will go to the open spots consistently and can actually score (which he lacks). That is why he was effective in the past. Playing on the 3rd or 4th line just makes him a liability.

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Max has spent most of his days in the NHL under Ruff. He needs a change. I honestly find it hard to believe there isnt a match somewhere. Most of the comments on this board are a joke. Max is a top 6 player who needs a pat on the back and strong support from linemates. That is how he can very effective. However, if hes expected to play like a 3rd liner constantly, it spells disaster. He needs to play with guys who will go to the open spots consistently and can actually score (which he lacks). That is why he was effective in the past. Playing on the 3rd or 4th line just makes him a liability.
Max has NEVER been an effective 1st or 2nd liner. All of his success post lockout has been on the 3rd line. When he wasn't under the gun to produce and was behind the Briere and Drury lines.

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Max has NEVER been an effective 1st or 2nd liner. All of his success post lockout has been on the 3rd line. When he wasn't under the gun to produce and was behind the Briere and Drury lines.
I refer to the top 2 lines as scoring lines. Drury & Kotalik played against the top lines for defensive purposes, that is the 3rd line typically. You can call it what you want. There are typically 2 scoring lines (1st or 3rd according to you).

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Max has NEVER been an effective 1st or 2nd liner. All of his success post lockout has been on the 3rd line. When he wasn't under the gun to produce and was behind the Briere and Drury lines.
...with Vanek and Roy. Two guys who probably shouldn't have been 3rd liners...

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I refer to the top 2 lines as scoring lines. Drury & Kotalik played against the top lines for defensive purposes, that is the 3rd line typically. You can call it what you want. There are typically 2 scoring lines (1st or 3rd according to you).
Yup. In both role and statistics, Vanek-Roy-Max was the 06-07 Sabres 2nd line.

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Yup. In both role and statistics, Vanek-Roy-Max was the 06-07 Sabres 2nd line.
Incorrect.

That line was the second "scoring" line. The second line was the Drury line, and was definitely just as valuable as the Briere line was to the success of the team that year.


edit: that last comment meaning that the defensive shutdown line was just as important as the high-scoring first line... not that "Drury equals Briere" or anything of the sort.. ignore who was on the lines when reading that last comment

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our offense is way diffrent without drury and briere. this team needed to develop a center and the closest thing we have in that regard is gaustad. max should get a good return for his talents. our offense has been makeshift and lets face it, they need to work hard for the wins.

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11-28-2008, 09:11 AM
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Incorrect.

That line was the second "scoring" line. The second line was the Drury line, and was definitely just as valuable as the Briere line was to the success of the team that year.


edit: that last comment meaning that the defensive shutdown line was just as important as the high-scoring first line... not that "Drury equals Briere" or anything of the sort.. ignore who was on the lines when reading that last comment
Traditionally, the checking line is termed as the 3rd line. It has nothing to do with value to the team, but that's just the way it's referred to. Also, Kotalik and Novotny (Drury's linemates for much of that year) had by far the 8th and 9th most ice time on the team.

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I refer to the top 2 lines as scoring lines. Drury & Kotalik played against the top lines for defensive purposes, that is the 3rd line typically. You can call it what you want. There are typically 2 scoring lines (1st or 3rd according to you).
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...with Vanek and Roy. Two guys who probably shouldn't have been 3rd liners...
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Yup. In both role and statistics, Vanek-Roy-Max was the 06-07 Sabres 2nd line.
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Traditionally, the checking line is termed as the 3rd line. It has nothing to do with value to the team, but that's just the way it's referred to. Also, Kotalik and Novotny (Drury's linemates for much of that year) had by far the 8th and 9th most ice time on the team.

Vanek/Roy/Max were the 2nd scoring line but 3rd line in terms of importance to the team and that was the point. Even those three knew that and have said as much.

Roy had commented several times that they were as successful as they were because Briere's line faced the top defensive players on the other team and Drury's line faced the top offensive players. Leaving those three to feast on 3rd pairng dmen and 3rd liners.

Offensively, Max's undisciplined play back then didn't matter as much since the defensive caliber of the players he was up against was such that he could get away with it. Combine that with the fact that he was playing with #1 line talented players in Roy and Vanek . Its really not surprising that they dominated mostly bottom 6 forwards and bottom d-pairs of other teams.

Defensively Max again was less of a liability because the players he was out against were not the top offensive players on the other team. Thus it was less likely one of his mistakes/turnovers was going to end up in our net.



Vanek and Roy have had their struggles but have shown they can translate their games to top line level play. Both have shown an ability to be very productive in these roles against top defensive players. Now they are looking for consistancy.

Max has done no such thing. His flaws as a player are magnified when he plays against better compitition. But the main difference between the three is Vanek/Roy are young guys learning and growing as players. Whereas Max is a veteran in his 9th season. He is what he is and isn't going to change.


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