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11-30-2008, 12:08 PM
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Quarter season Hab player assessment

They say a coach’s job is to get the best out of his players and to develop youngsters into solid NHL'ers (particularly in the new NHL) and on both fronts our friend Carbo is having an early season slump as are most of his key players who are struggling, including mainly our wealth of young players who are no longer rookies and from whom so much was expected.

Here is my assessment of the first quarter:

Career year or above expectations

Carey Price (lots expected but has generally been solid as rock)
Josh Gorges (way above expectations, best return for the money)

Playing acording to expectations

Jaroslav Halak (lacks the dominating attitude to steal games, but has played well enough)
Andrei Markov (lots expected, good stats, but up and down, great first ten, more average since then, good game yesterday)
Frankie Bouillon (same old guy, except for Washington brain cramp)
Saku Koivu (playing according to expectations, slowed down a little after great start)
Alex Tanguay (so far so good)
Robert Lang (low expectations, playing OK, a little costly at 4 Million plus the 2nd rounder lost)
Matthieu Dandenault (doing his job)
Steve Begin (doing his job)
Maxim Lapierre (doing his job)
Tom Kostopoulos (doing his job very well)
Guillaume Latendresse (some progression showing)
Patrice Brisebois (let's not waste time arguing about this guy, very low expectations anyway)

Below par year

Mike Komisarek (was not doing that great prior to injury)
Roman Hamrlik (not the player he was last year)
Ryan O’byrne (not most expected from youngster, but costing a goal a game a little much)

Way below par year

Chris Higgins (real deal or perennial coach and fan teaser?)
Alex Kovalev (time to wake up)
Thomas Plekanec (time to wake up)
Andrei Kostitsyn (time to wake up)
Serguei Kostitsyn (time to wake up)
Georges Laraque (Mr. “Afraid to get suspended” plain and simple not doing his job; responsible in my book for Komi’s injury)
Carbo (for the above reasons)

The bad news is this team will not succeed with most of its nucleus and key young players having a bad season.

The good news is that there is a lot of room for improvement…


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11-30-2008, 12:20 PM
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maybe you should post what your expectations were because I don't agree with half of those.

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11-30-2008, 12:24 PM
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Did Benoit Brunet write this?? Latendresse progressing??

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11-30-2008, 12:27 PM
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Patrick Roy doesn't aprove!

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I would say Hammer has been playing as well as everyone expects him to.

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11-30-2008, 12:45 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn: give him is own line and he's dominant. 5 games with his own line this year, 5 points, 3 goals 2 assists.

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11-30-2008, 12:49 PM
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Latendresse's name is conspicuously missing from the scoreboard not only game after game but week after week. How can anyone think he's contributing? SKost gets an excellent view of the games from the bench or the penalty box. Those two, along with O'Byrne, have been the weakest links so far.

Encouraging signs among the young players: AKost is becoming a force again and Gorges is asserting himself. Lapierre is improving.

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11-30-2008, 01:14 PM
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Wow Hamrlik is an underachiever now...

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11-30-2008, 01:48 PM
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Lapierre and Kostopoulous have been playing better than expected

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11-30-2008, 01:50 PM
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My expectations:

(+) playing above my expectation
Saku Koivu
Robert Lang
Josh Gorges
Carey Price

(=) playing according to my expectation
Guillaume Latendresse
Roman Hamrlik
Tom Kostopoulos
Maxim Lapierre
Steve Begin
Francis Bouillon
Patrice Brisebois
Ryan O'byrne
Mike Komisarek
George Laraque
Mathieu Dandenault
Jaroslav Halak

(-) playing below my expectation
Alex Tanguay
Andrei Markov
Alex Kovalev
Tomas Plekanec
Christopher Higgins
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn

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11-30-2008, 01:54 PM
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My expectations:

(+) playing above my expectation
Saku Koivu
Robert Lang
Josh Gorges
Carey Price

(=) playing according to my expectation
Guillaume Latendresse
Roman Hamrlik
Tom Kostopoulos
Maxim Lapierre
Steve Begin
Francis Bouillon
Patrice Brisebois
Ryan O'byrne
Mike Komisarek
George Laraque
Mathieu Dandenault
Jaroslav Halak

(-) playing below my expectation
Alex Tanguay
Andrei Markov

Alex Kovalev
Tomas Plekanec
Christopher Higgins
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
Mind clarifying that RIDICULOUS assesment> Tanguay and Markov are plaing BELOW your expectations? Did you expect Tanguay to score 160 points and for Markov to get an assist every minute of every game?

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11-30-2008, 02:09 PM
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Mind clarifying that RIDICULOUS assesment> Tanguay and Markov are plaing BELOW your expectations? Did you expect Tanguay to score 160 points and for Markov to get an assist every minute of every game?
in my opinion tanguay is better then kovalev, everyone here is bashing kovalev for an ugly season, he is one point away from tanguay. Yes tanguay had a good start, but where is he in the last 6-7 games ? I love him as a player, but i was expecting a lot more consistency from him.

For markov he is the general at the blue line, if markov play a good game, the habs play a good game, if markov play a bad game, habs play a bad game. Yes, 17 pts in 23 agmes is impressive, but i expected him to use his shot a lot more since streit left for NY and to run the PP.

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11-30-2008, 02:25 PM
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...

Here is my assessment of the first quarter:
Here's mine:

Above expectations

Saku Koivu (Was coined as 2nd center before the beginning of the season. Saku didn't like that)
Maxim Lapierre (Most people were expecting him to be in Hamilton apparently)

Andrei Markov (Best season start he ever had! May be his career year)
Josh Gorges (Solid, should stay on second pairing. Better than third, so above)
Patrice Brisebois (Solid, should play more games than needed for 1000, so above)

According to expectations

Carey Price (Solid, but with a somewhat slow start)
Jaroslav Halak (I was expecting him to be traded, nothing seems to indicate otherwise at this time. Good enough for 2nd goalie.)

Tom Kostopoulos (Consistent regardless of ice time)
Steve Begin (Consistent when playing regularly)
Matthieu Dandenault (Consistent when playing regularly)
Alex Tanguay (Inconsistent lately, good start, may drop)

Roman Hamrlik (Consistent, not going to be his best season, but he's making sure it'll be good anyhow)
Francis Bouillon (Consistent, what you see is what you get)

Below expectations

Alexei Kovalev (Can't elevate line mates' play, struggling on his own)
Mike Komisarek (Looked too many times like a pylon, needed the Lucic fight and needed the break)
Robert Lang (Expected him to be much better than Chipchura, he isn't)
Serguei Kostitsyn (Too many out of focus moments, needs a break)
Guillaume Latendresse (Struggling lately, his marks are dropping)
Chris Higgins (Work ethic? Consistency? I don't know, just not the player most people were expecting.)

Way Below

Ryan O’byrne (Costing us at least a goal every game he's on the ice)
Thomas Plekanec (Completely lost his hockey sense in the offensive zone)
Andrei Kostitsyn (Same as Plekanec, plus his work ethic only shows up 1 game out of 2, when we put him on the 3rd or 4th line)
Georges Laraque (Looks completely out of shape)

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11-30-2008, 02:29 PM
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in my opinion tanguay is better then kovalev, everyone here is bashing kovalev for an ugly season, he is one point away from tanguay. Yes tanguay had a good start, but where is he in the last 6-7 games ?
didn't he missed the last 3 games because of an injury?

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didn't he missed the last 3 games because of an injury?
He was struggling before that. He's -1 with 0 points in his last five games. ( He played 1 period in his last game granted). Since the game in St-Louis, or since the habs started struggling, he hasn't done much.

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11-30-2008, 03:59 PM
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maybe you should post what your expectations were because I don't agree with half of those.
Care to elaborate a little bit and share with us the 50% you disagree on?

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11-30-2008, 04:56 PM
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Don't you hate it when someone weighs in with there "Profession" opinion and it's obvious they are just playing to their favorites. You obviously know NOTHING about what you are talking about.

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Care to elaborate a little bit and share with us the 50% you disagree on?
This is a meaningless assessment. Whose expectations are we talking about yours? Well then you should tell us what you were expecting.

Here I'll give you an example.

I was expecting diddly squat from Lats and he's meeting my expectations with flying colors. Does that mean he's contributing to the team? Not according to me.

So your little break down of the players really means nothing except to you.

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Above expectations

Saku Koivu (Still the heart of the team)
Maxim Lapierre (Makes things happen)
Josh Gorges (Gets better every game)


According to expectations

Carey Price (Mellow regardless of the situation)
Jaroslav Halak (Not getting any support)
Andrei Markov (Can't do it by himself back there, needs another offensive PP Partner)
Thomas Plekanec (Trying hard, just hasn't gotten the bounces)
Tom Kostopoulos (Just keeps plugging)
Steve Begin (Like Max, can change the flow of a game)
Matthieu Dandenault (Needs to play every game)
Alex Tanguay (Has suffered with the team, should come back strong)
Patrice Brisebois (Same old, same old)
Roman Hamrlik (Not as good as last season, but better when not playing with O'Byrne)
Francis Bouillon (Hardest Worker)
Chris Higgins (Needs to get the puck in scoring spots, then he'll score)
Robert Lang (You were expecting Mats Sundin?)

Below expectations

Mike Komisarek (Not as good as last season, needs to play meaner)
Sergei Kostitsyn (To many penalties, not enough drive)



Way Below

Alexei Kovalev (Has to lead the league in turnovers)
Ryan O’Byrne (Just brutal, playing at an AHL level)
Andrei Kostitsyn (Following Kovy's lead)
Georges Laraque (Lead weights in his skates)
Guillaume Latendresse (Only wants the puck when he can shoot it, always 3 steps behind)

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11-30-2008, 05:16 PM
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Did Benoit Brunet write this?? Latendresse progressing??
Ha Ha Ha...My thoughts exactly.

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11-30-2008, 05:30 PM
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**Not evaluating based on stats**

Above Average
Tanguay: Despite his drop off before the injury, he is still a threat. Has excellent vision and plays well defensively.

Koivu: He's a beast period, his heart in undeniable. Very very impressed considering his age and injuries to his body over his career. Shows every game why he is captain.

Hamrlik: Does anyone notice him? No, but why? Because he does his damn job day in and day out. Pure Solid.

Gorges: Simple, he is a monster who is improving every game. Took his new role and kicked in the ass, has shown great leadership as well.

Markov: Incredible start, Komisarek goes down and has to take the load. I honestly didn't think he would have been able to handle it, but he's done quite well thus far.

Price: Had two bad games all year; Toronto and Boston, and has been a star since. Hasn't let more than 2 goals in his last 7 starts, that's just incredible.

Kostopoulos: Guy is warrior, end of story.

Average:

Boullion: Can't complain, but has done nothing spectacular, just solid.

Brisebois: Again, Can't complain, hasn't done anything to make me hate him.

Begin: Does what he does best.

Lang: Good solid acquisition, has to deal with rotating linemates every game. Solid defensively, misses chances, but atleast he gets chances.

Plekanec: He works and works but never gets rewarded. I just feel bad for him.

AKost: Played well, got injured, took forever to gain confidence. If Plekanec and Kovalev could finish plays he'd easily have 5-6 more points this. Has been a monster every game he has not played with Kovalev. I really can't complain because as we've seen, Kovalev drags down every player he plays with so far this season.

Lappiere: I was mad when he got benched because I thought he was doing his job well, I guess I was wrong, but I just love his hustle, what more can you possible ask for from a 4th line center.

Laraque: People bi**h and bi**h, but what did you expect to do, score 40 goals? Does nothing bad, but nothing spectacular, but I don't expect to do much more than what he has done.

Dandenault: Meh

Below Average:

Kovalev: Selfish play, that basically sums up his season thus far. Passes at the worst possible times, still thinks he's going to deke the opposing team 3 times and score. He's predictable and dull. His season this year, basically sums up his career, plays like crap but still manages to get points.

S.Kost: It's not like the effort isn't there, but he just can't get it together. It's second year, still hasn't played a full season. I love that he can play in any game situation and any position, that's one thing you gotta be proud of.


Undecided:

Halak: Hasn't played enough games for me to decide

Latendresse: I placed him here because I don't want to hear people bi*** and complain. His speed improved, but is still a brutal skater. Still doesn't know what it means to head for the net. His decision making is slow, and still has yet to seperate the puck fom a player with his checks. Doesn't play on scoring lines because he doesn't deserve to play there, not because Carbo hates him. Still don't think he'll ever be what people expect him to be, he'll get his 15 goals a year, but will never be a force.

People I feel bad for

O'byrne: We threw him to the dogs, way too early in his career to be playing the role they're forcing him to play.

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