Who would you rather want? As is keep in mind. if you could have between Sundin or Bouwmeester, with their current contracts not (if this) or He would have to... that. Sundin at say 5-6 mil, and Bouwmeester at his current contract.
Bouwneester far and ahead, especially if it's a trade and sign deal. a top 6 of Markov-Komisarek-Hamrlik-Bouwneester-O'byrne-Georges would be amazing, possibly the best D group in the league
Bouwneester far and ahead, especially if it's a trade and sign deal. a top 6 of Markov-Komisarek-Hamrlik-Bouwneester-O'byrne-Georges would be amazing, possibly the best D group in the league
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J Bo would make a bigger impact on the team then Sundin. Besides, you'd have to question Sundin's commitment based on the fact that he wasn't even sure he wanted to play hockey this summer.
The way I see it, We get Jbo sure we give up alot, but we have a chance at re-signing him for longer. WE get sundin, its a done deal with no re-signing, and his commitment/inspiration/motivation level would be questionable.
So I'd pay the extra pick or prospect if it meant getting Jbo another #1 Offensive Defender.
Touch call as I'm a big Jay-Bo fan. But considering how much we would have to give up for him, plus the effect signing him long term would have on the salary cap. I would have to say Sundin.
The way I see it, We get Jbo sure we give up alot, but we have a chance at re-signing him for longer. WE get sundin, its a done deal with no re-signing, and his commitment/inspiration/motivation level would be questionable.
So I'd pay the extra pick or prospect if it meant getting Jbo another #1 Offensive Defender.
????Why would it be questionable??????? If anything that would be the one thing you wouldn't have to worried about. The guy isn't motivated by money anymore, obviously, he just wants to win.
Commitment/Inspiration/Motivation would be the LEAST f my worries if we got Sundin.
I don't know a 25 min per game D-man with size and great skating. Who can provide solid offense and defense. What the hell was I thinking?
Bouwmeester's led the league in icetime for the past two years I think...I know this year, at least, he's logging 28 minutes per game. He's out there for almost half the game, every night. That's pretty amazing considering he's still a young guy.
I think HF tends to overrate J-Bo at times but still, I would kill to have him on the Habs...he's exactly what we need (except for the fact that he's another UFA...)
????Why would it be questionable??????? If anything that would be the one thing you wouldn't have to worried about. The guy isn't motivated by money anymore, obviously, he just wants to win.
Commitment/Inspiration/Motivation would be the LEAST f my worries if we got Sundin.
Unfortunately Darz, those would be my biggest concerns. No one hear would say they don't want Sundin. What concerns me is that he's been a star in the NHL for many years and suddenly he doesn't know if he wants to play anymore. I think Stevie Y put it best when he said if you're not 100% sure you want to retire then don't.
Sundin has been dragging his ass around since the summer and pulling interested teams along with him. If the guy was committed and motivated, wouldn't he have been ready to go come training camp? I mean it's not like he was injured or anything like that. Let's face it...he's just been dogging it.
Personally, not the kind of example I would want to bring into my dressing room with so many young and impressionable kids in the room.
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Bouwmeester's led the league in icetime for the past two years I think...that's pretty amazing considering he's still a young guy.
I think HF tends to overrate J-Bo at times but still, I would kill to have him on the Habs...he's exactly what we need (except for the fact that he's another UFA...)
I don't know what his actual minutes per game are off hand. But I know he's close to 28 mins per and one of the top, if not the top when it comes to defenseman.
Edit: Oh I'm good, according to NHL.com he's at 28.03 minutes per game.
He is a little overrated on HF. But I agree, he would be a perfect fit for our top 4. (No offense against Gorges)
Unfortunately Darz, those would be my biggest concerns. No one hear would say they don't want Sundin. What concerns me is that he's been a star in the NHL for many years and suddenly he doesn't know if he wants to play anymore. I think Stevie Y put it best when he said if you're not 100% sure you want to retire then don't.
Sundin has been dragging his ass around since the summer and pulling interested teams along with him. If the guy was committed and motivated, wouldn't he have been ready to go come training camp? I mean it's not like he was injured or anything like that. Let's face it...he's just been dogging it.
Personally, not the kind of example I would want to bring into my dressing room with so many young and impressionable kids in the room.
I'm going to have to agree with Darz on this one. The fact that he's taken this much time to make sure that he is ready. Makes me believe that once he does make a final decision to come back. *crosses fingers since I have him in my hockey pool*. He will be 100% motivated to pursue one goal, the Stanley Cup. He's already proven IMO that it's not money or attention that he is seeking.
The only difference is Jay-Bo has been doing it in the NHL for 6 seasons. While O'Byrne is still working on finding his groove. Also, Jay-Bo is only 1 year older than O'Byrne.
I'm going to have to agree with Darz on this one. The fact that he's taken this much time to make sure that he is ready. Makes me believe that once he does make a final decision to come back. *crosses fingers since I have him in my hockey pool*. He will be 100% motivated to pursue one goal, the Stanley Cup. He's already proven IMO that it's not money or attention that he is seeking.
WTF was the problem then? I had alot of respect for Sundin as a hockey player and I'm just not sure what happened to the guy other then getting married. I dunno, I get all worked up when people talk Sundin because I had a huge man crush on the guy and he basically snubbed Les Habs. Pissed me off big time! Oh well, C'est la vie
The only difference is Jay-Bo has been doing it in the NHL for 6 seasons. While O'Byrne is still working on finding his groove. Also, Jay-Bo is only 1 year older than O'Byrne.
And that Jay-Bo had a 40 pts season and could probably have a 50 pts season on an offensive team like Montreal. (the last 10 games are not normal and don't represent our team. Hopefully..)
The only difference is Jay-Bo has been doing it in the NHL for 6 seasons. While O'Byrne is still working on finding his groove. Also, Jay-Bo is only 1 year older than O'Byrne.
Jay-Bo reminds me of Sean Hill and Bret Hedican which is why I don't get too worked up over him.
Jay-Bo reminds me of Sean Hill and Bret Hedican which is why I don't get too worked up over him.
Yeah but keep in mind He is trying to Carry a team with virtually no offense, and poor defense. Their Goaltending is Solid but with him being the only solid franchise player it definately makes him look bad. IMO 40 points on one of the worst teams in the league 3-4 years in a row is a great feat considering how many minutes hes logging with which linemates hes passing to.
WTF was the problem then? I had alot of respect for Sundin as a hockey player and I'm just not sure what happened to the guy other then getting married. I dunno, I get all worked up when people talk Sundin because I had a huge man crush on the guy and he basically snubbed Les Habs. Pissed me off big time! Oh well, C'est la vie
Sundin =
If I knew I could make millions selling the story. So like everyone else I can only speculate that he has certain standards that he has set for himself when it comes to hockey. This year for the first time, the season started and he doubted he could maintain those standards.
As for snubbing the Habs, I would much rather he said no since he wasn't 100% sure. If he would have taken Gainey's offer than came to play half assed for us, then I would be pissed.
