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12-01-2008, 05:41 PM
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Observation: Markov Slapshot

A small, but perhaps significant observation: if you watch Markov take a slapshot, PP or not, his windup is really long and (relatively) time-consuming. It gives the goalie and the opposing forwards and D that extra second to get in his shooting lane and block the shot. Obviously it's not the reason alone why our PP is suffering, but if someone could point it out to him he might cut his windup just a bit for the sake of getting the shot off a little more quickly.

A good illustration: watch on rds videos "Une bonne contribution des defenseurs"

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12-01-2008, 05:49 PM
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And yet, both Souray and Streit had extremely long wind ups for their slapshots...

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its not how big it is, its how you use it

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12-01-2008, 05:54 PM
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True, but if you think about folks like Paul Coffey and nick Lindstrom, they often stress that it's most imperative for the D just to get the shot on net and then good things (screens, rebounds, etc) happen. When I watch Markov on video (multiple sequences) he takes a while to unload the shot and you can see the shooting lane, once open, close before him. If he fires a bullet, but it doesn't get through then what's the use. He should mix it up and ensure he gets the puck on net.

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True, but if you think about folks like Paul Coffey and nick Lindstrom, they often stress that it's most imperative for the D just to get the shot on net and then good things (screens, rebounds, etc) happen. When I watch Markov on video (multiple sequences) he takes a while to unload the shot and you can see the shooting lane, once open, close before him. If he fires a bullet, but it doesn't get through then what's the use. He should mix it up and ensure he gets the puck on net.
Markov should never be shooting from the point on PP to begin with anyways. But you don't necessarily need a quick release a la Joe Sakic. Lidstrom doesn't release it instantaneously either but he has great aim, something Markov doesn't seem to have for his shots.

He's the one that sets up the players with great passing and vision.
Thinking we should be making him shoot was as dumb an idea one could have.
Never understood what Carbo was thinking when he thought about magically changing the #1 PP in the NHL last year.

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A small, but perhaps significant observation: if you watch Markov take a slapshot, PP or not, his windup is really long and (relatively) time-consuming. It gives the goalie and the opposing forwards and D that extra second to get in his shooting lane and block the shot. Obviously it's not the reason alone why our PP is suffering, but if someone could point it out to him he might cut his windup just a bit for the sake of getting the shot off a little more quickly.

A good illustration: watch on rds videos "Une bonne contribution des defenseurs"
I've noticed that of Kovalev too, his windup is long and tries more to slap it, instead of using his wrister as he used too. And even the one-timers, they don't try to fake the shot enough, one should fake a shot to pass instead, while the other one shoots, or passes it back and the other player might have more space.

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And yet, both Souray and Streit had extremely long wind ups for their slapshots...
But Streit didn't slap much perse. He used a quick slap for the one-timers, which is pretty useful and more accurate.

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Markov should never be shooting from the point on PP to begin with anyways. But you don't necessarily need a quick release a la Joe Sakic. Lidstrom doesn't release it instantaneously either but he has great aim, something Markov doesn't seem to have for his shots.

He's the one that sets up the players with great passing and vision.
Thinking we should be making him shoot was as dumb an idea one could have.
Never understood what Carbo was thinking when he thought about magically changing the #1 PP in the NHL last year.
That was Jarvis, not Carbo.

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12-01-2008, 06:27 PM
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Glad Markov is taking the extra second, he's hitting opposition blockers in the shins a lot less frequently than the past 2 years.

Kovalev's decision making is much more of a problem than Markov's. At this point if I were Carbo I'd just stick Kovalev permanently in front (big body, stong, good hands) of the net or at the point (creativity, accurate shot), he is terribly ineffective on the boards.

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If we parked Lats in the crease, goalie wouldn't even see the wind up :S

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Latendresse would stop all the shots though.

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This is true...well Marky will have to really let it rip and just shoot it right through Lat's lard.

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Markov needs a lot of work on getting the puck through traffic. He is better off as the set up man though.

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At least he doesn't always show on the opposition like Brisebois does

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Markov's shot is fine

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Markov's shot is fine
that's what she said

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He only shoots once every 2nd game. He needs to shoot more. My friend and I were saying all the guy does is pass, pass, pass, even in prime opportunities.

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And yet, both Souray and Streit had extremely long wind ups for their slapshots...
No they didn't. Both could fire rockets with a half swing. Markov needs almost a golf wind up to shoot.

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Thats what she said
Brilliant.

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No they didn't. Both could fire rockets with a half swing. Markov needs almost a golf wind up to shoot.
Souray could unleash a howitzer with a half wind up but often went to the full motion because it was, more fun? I think you're right with Streit though.

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12-02-2008, 12:20 AM
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That was Jarvis, not Carbo.
I know he was in charge last year, don't know about this year but I guess it makes sense he'd still be.

But I'm not sure how uninvolved Carbo is in that department.

In the end, the Head Coach oversees everything.

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