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12-01-2008, 09:59 PM
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Is Guillaume the next Pierre Dagenais?

Pierre Dagenais's stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=29526

He's played one more or less full season in the NHL and his stats in that year (2003-04) look rather similar to Guillaume's stats of the past 2 years.

He's a big body,with good hands, slow speed and he's bad defensively.

Here's Guillaume's stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=73285

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12-01-2008, 10:02 PM
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As much as I think Latendresse could use more of his body ! He's by far gritter than Dagenais ever was. He can hits (when he's there), stay in front of the net and protect the puck along the boards.

Dagenais shot was out of this world tough !

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12-01-2008, 10:04 PM
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As much as I think Latendresse could use more of his body ! He's by far gritter than Dagenais ever was. He can hits (when he's there), stay in front of the net and protect the puck along the boards.

Dagenais shot was out of this world tough !
I dont think he is that good at that.

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12-01-2008, 10:06 PM
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I dont think he is that good at that.
He's clearly a solid body checker and can hurt people if he want ! He's just not mean enough and not fast to make it happen every night like a Lucic.

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I heard Latendrese is going to break out his new skates tomorrow, check them out
_http://www.toysrus.com/product/prodp...72&totCount=0_

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The only difference is that Lats is younger. Both are pretty ineffective 20-30 goal scoring potential players that are useless 90% of the time they're on the ice. Lats will have a longer career but he will not be a power forward like everyone wet dreams about

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12-01-2008, 10:23 PM
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He's clearly a solid body checker and can hurt people if he want ! He's just not mean enough and not fast to make it happen every night like a Lucic.
Have to agree.

And i said it millions times before, Latendresse needs to play more physical if he wants to have a spot in the top 6. Gui is trying to play to much with his hands and skills but we have tons of player like that in our team. He needs to bring a NEW DIMENSION to his play to be succesful.

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Have to agree.

And i said it millions times before, Latendresse needs to play more physical if he wants to have a spot in the top 6. Gui is trying to play to much with his hands and skills but we have tons of player like that in our team. He needs to bring a NEW DIMENSION to his play to be succesful.
yeah another Lats bashing thread.
We really needed a new one !

BTW Lats is still the Habs forward with the most hits.

He plays physical but he also needs to control the puck when he plays with Robert "Slow motion" Lang and Sergei "blind pass" Kostitsyn.

Lats is not on the right line

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The only difference is that Lats is younger. Both are pretty ineffective 20-30 goal scoring potential players that are useless 90% of the time they're on the ice. Lats will have a longer career but he will not be a power forward like everyone wet dreams about
The big difference is Lats hits people every shift and Dagenais thew maybe 5 hits his whole career.

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He's clearly a solid body checker and can hurt people if he want ! He's just not mean enough and not fast to make it happen every night like a Lucic.
The guy hits hard. Latendresse is very strong physicaly and will get stronger,which mean he will hit harder. Latendresse also work harder than Dagenais did.

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The guy hits hard. Latendresse is very strong physicaly and will get stronger,which mean he will hit harder. Latendresse also work harder than Dagenais did.
So why is it taking Lats so long to get stronger and get better over a player like Lucic?

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So why is it taking Lats so long to get stronger and get better over a player like Lucic?
Lucic is a better skater and gets to play with Marc Savard. My grandmother would score 30 with Savard.

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So why is it taking Lats so long to get stronger and get better over a player like Lucic?
Perspective, folks... Lucic still doesn't have as many career NHL goals than Lats had after his first season. And he's now playing with Marc Savard, as opposed to Maxim Lapierre. If he matches Lats' 32 after his second season, he'll be doing well.

Lucic is pretty severely overrated, at least offensively. He's a great hitter and all, and a very good glorified goon, but he has a loooooooooong way to go before he's Cam Neely.

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I thought Latendresse was our top 5 skater now.

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The big difference is Lats hits people every shift and Dagenais thew maybe 5 hits his whole career.
Every shift? Quit dreaming. He throws one or two big behind the play hits a game and now he's an elite checker?

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So why is it taking Lats so long to get stronger and get better over a player like Lucic?
first season ;

Lucic 8 goals
Latendresse 16 goals .

Lucic is more flashy , but is he better than Latendresse ? no

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The only difference is that Lats is younger. Both are pretty ineffective 20-30 goal scoring potential players that are useless 90% of the time they're on the ice. Lats will have a longer career but he will not be a power forward like everyone wet dreams about
yup. it's the only difference... you sir know a lot about hockey!

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first season ;

Lucic 8 goals
Latendresse 16 goals .

Lucic is more flashy , but is he better than Latendresse ? no
Yes, because goals mean every thing right?

Ryder had 30goals twice, does that mean he's better than Datsyuk who had 28gls the same year?

Lucic well at both ends and is showing that he can also put up some goals as evidenced by his numbers in his 2nd year... but of course, he'll never be as good as Gui because Guy had 16 goals to his 8 in his first season

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first season ;

Lucic 8 goals
Latendresse 16 goals .

Lucic is more flashy , but is he better than Latendresse ? no
A Lucic VS. Latendresse comparaison would be interesting.

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yup. it's the only difference... you sir know a lot about hockey!
I know that taking a general statement too literal is never a good thing.

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No. That's just a dumb comparison.

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Dagenais had 1 thing, a slap shot.. everything else was ECHL caliber at best.. His hands?? couldnt handle the puck and make a pass to save his life.. Not only he was slow like an escargot, there was 0 fluidity with his skating, Lats has some decent agility for a guy of his size and his speed is way better than Dagenais, Lats has hands even if I would like to see him more confident with the puck..

In Lats' case, there is some hope he becomes a solid top 6 in the NHL, still can develop in a John Leclair type of player IMO, but his development is slower than expected, we will have to live with some inconstancy, I think its worth waiting.. The day Paccioretty make this team, watch Tender react.. He will take more initiatives offensively..

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While i think he could be way better...why the hell is everyone expecting this kid to be the next big power forward in his 3rd season

Latendress
2006-07 80gp 16g 13a
2007-08 73gp 16g 11a

I'm too lazy to type them all out,
but look at some of the best and most succesful power forwards in their first seasons. Neely, Leclair, Bertuzzi, Roberts, Messier, Hunter Iginla, all had first seasons that were not an indication of their true potential.

I'm in no way saying that lats will ever reach their levels, and that he doesnt deserve time in the box, however i just think people get so pissed cause they expected a hero and instead got a young player learning his game.

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I don't think so.

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Yes, because goals mean every thing right?

Ryder had 30goals twice, does that mean he's better than Datsyuk who had 28gls the same year?

Lucic well at both ends and is showing that he can also put up some goals as evidenced by his numbers in his 2nd year... but of course, he'll never be as good as Gui because Guy had 16 goals to his 8 in his first season
He brought up the goal comparison because someone mentioned how Lucic is that much better than Lats, when he isn't.
Therefore it was justified to bring up stats.

Ryder and Datsyuk have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Lats hits, he can score, can deke, can do pretty much all the things Lucic does except he's slower and less of a pest.

Lats has good potential, but he won't magically blossom by playing with Lang or Lapierre.
We know he can be effective with Koivu, but he's not used there.
Claude Julien knows Lucic might not necessarily deserve to play on top line more than a few players, but he knows Milan can be much more useful to his team on top line with Savard, so he puts him there.

It's about getting the most out of your 12Forwards to best benefit the team.
Lats has a great first 8Games, getting 7pts. He plays 2 average ones, not bad ones just average and he gets demoted. Gets paired with Lang a few games, some with Lapierre, nothing that makes him look too good to nobody's surprise.
Our team struggles during a game, so in the 3rd period he's put back on with Koivu and Tanguay. On his first shift back, he scores but Hartnell moves the net so the goal is disallowed. Next game, he's back down.

I'm quite fed up of hearing about Lats, the kid is playing decent and Kovalev, Higgins, Plekanec, A.Kost, Lang should all get criticized before him.
Put him with Koivu and Tanguay, I'm sure he'll do good but that won't be enough to stop the haters. They will always come back with remarks such as ''Higgins would have had more pts'' or something like that.

Lucic is not better than Lats. He can fight and skate better, but he doesn't have more potential.
Lats has never consistently played with the player that would get the most out of him. Lucic is playing with Savard.

As for the Dagenais comparison, that's beyond pathetic.

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